Harry's 'fan' dying/new teachers/Harry's guilt

[Katze]

No: HPFGUIDX 32110

rachelrenee1 wrote:

> Humm, I must be a real pessimist, because I was teaming this "fan"
> dying, with the other prediction that Harry would have to examine
> daeth more closely and I came up with Hagrid dying.  I mean, why
> would either Colin or Dennis make Harry stop and think more about
> death than Cedric already had?  I mean he saw Cedric get toasted by
> Wormtail, he had a little tete-a-tete with Cedric's shadow and then
> dragged the dead body he felt responsible for all the way back to
> Hogwarts with him and would not release it until Dumbledore prised it
> from his hands.

Great analysis. I haven't really thought about Hagrid dying, because I
love him so much. I guess that could easily fit in the story. Another
point in your favor is that Robbie Coltrane wasn't quite clear about how
movies he signed on for when Rosie O'Donnell asked him if he'd signed up
for all 7. His response was "sort of". But I don't know if he only
signed on for 2, like all the kids, or if Hagrid isn't around in later
books. I also remember reading something, can't remember if it was
Rowling, or a rumor, that there is a side to Hagrid that we haven't
seen. Perhaps he gets involved with the Giants and is killed during a
conflict with the Dark side. This is assuming that the Giants come to
the good side. 

--- slight change of subject - teachers ---

If Hagrid doesn't die, but is away, it will happen at the beginning of
the book and he'll return later. We could see Fleur be a temp teacher
for the magical creatures until Hagrid's return in book 5.

If he does die, then he'll be in book 5 and die at the end. Either
way...I can see Fleur stepping in as the teacher in book 6, and also see
Charlie possibly work as the new Game Keeper. Ooooh...that would ruffle
some feathers...we know Charlie would be after Fleur...along with
everyone else! ;-)

I would love to see more of Charlie.

--- another slight change of subject - Harry's guilt ---

> So I posit that it should be someone that Harry is closer to and so
> would feel an even deeper sense of loss, not just, guilt, about.
> Hagrid is really one of the few outside of the trio that fits the
> bill.  Dumbledore might be on his way out too, with all of the "tired
> and old" references, but that seems too easy and I don't think that
> Dumbledore, though he likes and respects Harry, really fits as
> a "fan."  Anyway, just my 2 sickles (and a couple of knuts thrown in
> for good measure.)

The guilt that Harry felt at the end of GoF really got me. I could
literally feel what he was feeling, and I can't imagine how he would
feel if Hagrid died. He's always been like Harry's protector. Took care
of bringing him to safety as a baby, taking care of getting him to
Hogwarts, and just an all around lovable soul and comfort to Harry. This
would truly impact Harry on a grand scale. 

If Rowling is going to kill important people in Harry's life while he's
this young, she better give him a happy, long life in the end!

I don't think Dumbledore will die until book 7. I base this partly on
Harris's comment that he had to sign of for all 7 movies. Though, he
could die, and come back as a ghost, but I don't see it. D, himself, has
said that "to the organized mind, death is but the next great adventure"
(or something like that).  Rowling has also said that the happiest of
people don't become ghosts. I don't see D coming back as a ghost. Once
he dies...he's moving on. Though he could come back as memories. I also
think D fits the "mentor" person in the book, and mentors usually
die/leave right when the hero needs them most (like Yoda with Luke). I
don't think this will happen until book 7, an he'll go just before Harry
meets his density...er...destiny. ;-) 

-Katze