HP in Venice
Heather Edmonds
Heather at hedmonds.fsnet.co.uk
Mon Feb 12 19:02:32 UTC 2001
No: HPFGUIDX 12111
I have come to the conclusion Harry POtter is following me everywhere! Last
week I went to Venice/ was dreadfully ill <g> and I open teh curtains of the
hotel room on the first morning and found myself staring at a huge poster
advertising HP & the Goblet of Fire in Italian in the window of the bookshop
opposite.
Heather
"...Words strain,
crack and sometimes break, under the burden,
under the tension, slip, slide, perish,
decay with imprecision, will not stay in place,
will not stay still.
Eliot, 1944.
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There are 22 messages in this issue.
Topics in this digest:
1. WW2 parallels with HP
From: "Dai Evans" <dwe199 at soton.ac.uk>
2. Re: Another WW2 parallel
From: "Dai Evans" <dwe199 at soton.ac.uk>
3. Re: Lily's a muggle?
From: "Kelley" <SKTHOMPSON_1 at msn.com>
4. Re: Lycanthropy - Azkaban - Weird Names - HP Tour
From: Amanda Lewanski <editor at texas.net>
5. A need for Filch?
From: Amanda Lewanski <editor at texas.net>
6. Re: Digest Number 564
From: M <queenmarcie at yahoo.com>
7. Weird names - Azkaban - Eyesight
From: "Amy Z" <aiz24 at hotmail.com>
8. Re: Digest Number 564 astrology continued
From: queenmarcie at yahoo.com
9. Re: Digest Number 564 astrology continued
From: queenmarcie at yahoo.com
10. Food, names
From: Angela Boyko <aboyko at nb.sympatico.ca>
11. Re: Food, names
From: aichambaye at yahoo.com
12. When Dementors Journey (filk)
From: "Caius Marcius" <coriolan at worldnet.att.net>
13. Re: Eyesight, Hogwarts' special ed, etc.
From: nlpnt at yahoo.com
14. brand new fanfiction
From: homanm at umich.edu
15. Re: Weird names (back on topic)(and off again!)
From: nlpnt at yahoo.com
16. Re: Weird names (off topic again!)
From: "Rita Winston" <catlady at wicca.net>
17. eyeglasses, buck teeth, and other problems
From: "Steve Vander Ark" <vderark at bccs.org>
18. Discussion Summary: GoF/Chapter 30 - "The Pensieve"
From: "Neil Ward" <neilward at dircon.co.uk>
19. Re: Discussion Summary: GoF/Chapter 30 - "The Pensieve"
From: sashibuya at hotmail.com
20. Re: OT: British English help!
From: "Doreen Rich" <doreen_iowa at yahoo.com>
21. Re: Re: Eyesight, Hogwarts' special ed, etc.
From: "ender_w" <ender_w at msn.com>
22. Re: Re: Snape as teacher
From: "Monika Zaboklicka" <monika.zaboklicka at csl.com.pl>
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Message: 1
Date: Sun, 11 Feb 2001 19:56:17 -0000
From: "Dai Evans" <dwe199 at soton.ac.uk>
Subject: WW2 parallels with HP
I just watched a documentary about Hitler and co. during WW2 and
apparantly, something I've never heard of before, members of the SS
had an SS symbol burned into their arms. Some familiarity with a
certain dark mark seems apparant. Also, and I'm kicking myself for
not spotting this before, Salazar was the name of the fascist
dictator of Portugal during the same period.
Something new to think on.
Dai
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Message: 2
Date: Sun, 11 Feb 2001 19:59:14 -0000
From: "Dai Evans" <dwe199 at soton.ac.uk>
Subject: Re: Another WW2 parallel
--- In HPforGrownups at y..., "Kelley" <SKTHOMPSON_1 at m...> wrote:
> Just seems so
> ironic that Vold (and S. Slyth.) are so against mixed-blood, etc.,
> and this is exactly what Vold is. I'm really curious about his
> mother (as well as James' and Lily's parents)...
I have a feeling that one of Hitlers parents or grandparents were
Jewish. I can't remember where I heard this, but if it's true it does
add another brick to the WW2 parallel wall.
Dai, again.
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Message: 3
Date: Sun, 11 Feb 2001 20:24:40 -0000
From: "Kelley" <SKTHOMPSON_1 at msn.com>
Subject: Re: Lily's a muggle?
--- In HPforGrownups at y..., "Annette Harada" <annetteh11 at h...> wrote:
> > > Has anyone discussed the conflict of Lilly Potter being a witch
or a muggle. The first three books give the definate impression that
> > she was a witch from an early age, even Aunt Marge made a
reference to this fact prior to Harry blowing her up. But at the end
of book 4, when Harry was tied to Tom Riddle's head stone, Voldemort
said how alike he and Harry were; Both born with muggle mothers....>
> Ok, I'll grant you that one about Voldemort, but what about Lilly
Potter? Voldemort did say she was a muggle....
>
> Thanks for your response <<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<
Hi Annette. I think all that bit about Lily is that she's muggle-
born, rather than plain, flat-out muggle. She's a witch from a
muggle family, like Hermione. But because Lily was a witch and James
was a wizard, then Harry is full-blood, even though it's only one
generation back on his mom's side. Apparently* both Lily and
Hermione are magical people from completely non-magical ancestries.
(I had a different theory about Lily, but things JKR has said have
pretty much killed that...;o]) So, yeah, I think that's it. Did
that help at all?... <g>
Kelley
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Message: 4
Date: Sun, 11 Feb 2001 14:40:07 -0600
From: Amanda Lewanski <editor at texas.net>
Subject: Re: Lycanthropy - Azkaban - Weird Names - HP Tour
Catlady wrote:
> John Walton mentioned
> > Lavender as a hippie type name.
>
> To me, Lavender is definitely more of an old-lady type name than a
> hippie type name.
Well, to me her name had a nursery-rhyme echo--you know, "Lavender Blue,
Lavender Green"? She's Lavender Brown. Perhaps one of Jo's daughter's
crayons rolled to her feet just as she was naming this character....
--Amanda
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Message: 5
Date: Sun, 11 Feb 2001 14:43:18 -0600
From: Amanda Lewanski <editor at texas.net>
Subject: A need for Filch?
I saw this one the other Yahoo HPforGrownups group, the one I get the
odd email from. For once, it was an interesting question instead of the
usual, Hi, I love HP, HP rules, etc. (I get the impression lots of them
are very young).
Question being--why does Filch have to clean up all the messes--like the
mud that gets tracked in? Why don't the house elves do that? Why do they
need Filch at all?
Any thoughts? Was this discussed in old, pre-voluble-Amanda days?
--Amanda
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Message: 6
Date: Sun, 11 Feb 2001 13:46:43 -0800 (PST)
From: M <queenmarcie at yahoo.com>
Subject: Re: Digest Number 564
Do you mean that 6/24/80 is some how hinted as Draco's
birthday? If it is then Draco is a Cancer (I can't
believe it) usually described as motherly figures ^_^;
If this is the case, the following is an analysis.
With Cancer's ruler Moon in Scorpio is someone who
faces unusual situations in their lives.
Ruler Moon(in 5th House) is in 120 degrees angle range
with the Sun(in Cancer 1st House), indicating someone
with a lot of energy and usually successful when comes
to romance and sex.
Moon in 150 degrees range with Venus(in Gemini 12th
House) is one with hidden sexual secrets, but does not
affect life much.
Moon in 120 degrees range with Mercury(in Cancer 1st
House), a very smart person also informative.
Moon in 60 degrees range with Mars(in Virgo 3rd
House), the person's interest lies in new thing,
sometime adventures.
Please correct me if I got any of this wrong, I just
took up astrology not long ago. :)
>
> Date: Sun, 11 Feb 2001 06:09:27 -0800 (PST)
> From: A B <old_wych at yahoo.com>
> Subject: Re: Digest Number 561
>
>
> --- Ellimist15 at aol.com wrote:
> > Rita said:
> >
> > << Mo/Dy/Yr Sun Moon Merc Venu Mars
>
> > Jupi Satu
> > Uran Nept Plut
> > 6/24/80 3Cn06 17Sc00 24Cn31 19Ge05.21Vi17 5Vi02
> > 21Vi06
> > 22Sc01.20Sg58.18Li58.
> >
> > (oops, it lost the columns when i copied and
> pasted)
> > it says, Sun at 3 degrees of Cancer (counts to me
> as
> > Gemini/Cancer
> > cusp)
> >
> > Moon at 17 degrees of Scorpio!!!!
> > Mercury at 24 degrees of Cancer
> > Venus at 19 degrees of Gemini (the . is supposed
> to
> > indicate
> > retrograde)
> > Mars at 21 degrees of Virgo >>
> >
> > Can you please elaborate on what this signifies? I
> > must have fallen asleep in Professor Sinistra's
> > astonomy lesson.
> >
> > Ellie
> >
> That and Professor Trelawney's lessons. You're not
> alone. I have no idea what all this means, but I'm
> sure it's significant into Draco's character
> somehow.
> I know enough about astrology to have figured out
> Harry's a Leo and that's it! (And I suppose
> Hermione's
> a Virgo as well.) I thought the June 24 date might
> have some significance in some calendar system, but
> I
> had no idea what that could be.
>
> Anne
>
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Message: 7
Date: Sun, 11 Feb 2001 22:00:25 -0000
From: "Amy Z" <aiz24 at hotmail.com>
Subject: Weird names - Azkaban - Eyesight
Neil wrote:
>Neil is a contraction of Nigel... hmmmm, should I take offence at
>your j/k remark?
No offense meant, Nigel/Neil/Ford! I *like* the name Nigel. I just
always used to ponder the fact that the credits on British TV shows
were loaded with Nigels and Ians. Ian has caught on stateside, but I
have never, ever met a Nigel in the USA. So it remains an oddity. A
nice oddity! Very nice! Please don't run me over!
Re: Ginny=Virginia, I'm pretty sure there's canon evidence that her
name IS Virginia. In my bookless state, I can only encourage and
suggest...encourage and suggest...
Caius Marcius wrote:
>Azkaban
>Dedicated to the Amazin' Amy Z
Aw, shucks--an infomercial just for me? Thanks--and, as always, ROFL!
Heather M wrote:
>James wore glasses because Lily, muggle-born and raised, thought they
>were dead sexy on him.
Which they were, natch!
Just came up with another eyesight-impaired wizard: Mr. W. That
one's easy; he wears glasses because he thinks they make him more
Muggleish.
Amy Z
who would prefer to have a more unusual name...maybe I should start
telling people it's short for Amontillado? (hey, I wrote that before
reading Catlady's Amiabilia suggestion! You know what they say about
great minds...)
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"Your father thinks very highly of Mad-Eye
Moody," said Mrs. Weasley sternly.
"Yeah, well, Dad collects plugs, doesn't he,"
said Fred quietly, as Mrs. Weasley left the room.
"Birds of a feather."
--HP and the Goblet of Fire
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Message: 8
Date: Sun, 11 Feb 2001 22:22:37 -0000
From: queenmarcie at yahoo.com
Subject: Re: Digest Number 564 astrology continued
Moon in 120 degrees range with Jupiter(in Virgo 3rd House). The person
is likely to success in his career. Negative side would be too
luxurious, arrogant, and a big ego(in other words, a rich brat).
Moon in 120 degrees range with Saturn(in Virgo 3rd House), is some how
a responsible person and follows his plans. But sometimes takes on too
much responsibilities.
Moon in 0 degree range with Uranus(in Scorpio 5th House). A dangerous
and eccentric person with a brilliant mind to make changes.
Moon in 30 degrees range with Neptune(in Sagittarius 6th House), he is
full of ideas at work. But in this position, it almost doesn't his
life at all.
Moon in 90 degrees range with Pluto(in Libra 4th House). Will be
violent in family, or had a violent family to grew up in.
An additional note:
Mercury in 1st House is someone who is comfortable with lying.
And again if someone finds this to be incorrect please tell me.
--- In HPforGrownups at y..., M <queenmarcie at y...> wrote:
> Do you mean that 6/24/80 is some how hinted as Draco's
> birthday? If it is then Draco is a Cancer (I can't
> believe it) usually described as motherly figures ^_^;
>
> If this is the case, the following is an analysis.
>
> With Cancer's ruler Moon in Scorpio is someone who
> faces unusual situations in their lives.
>
> Ruler Moon(in Scorpio 5th House) is in 120 degrees angle range
> with the Sun(in Cancer 1st House), indicating someone
> with a lot of energy and usually successful when comes
> to romance and sex.
>
> Moon in 150 degrees range with Venus(in Gemini 12th
> House) is one with hidden sexual secrets, but does not
> affect life much.
>
> Moon in 120 degrees range with Mercury(in Cancer 1st
> House), a very smart person also informative.
>
> Moon in 60 degrees range with Mars(in Virgo 3rd
> House), the person's interest lies in new thing,
> sometime adventures.
>
> Please correct me if I got any of this wrong, I just
> took up astrology not long ago. :)
>
>
> >
> > Date: Sun, 11 Feb 2001 06:09:27 -0800 (PST)
> > From: A B <old_wych at y...>
> > Subject: Re: Digest Number 561
> >
> >
> > --- Ellimist15 at a... wrote:
> > > Rita said:
> > >
> > > << Mo/Dy/Yr Sun Moon Merc Venu Mars
> >
> > > Jupi Satu
> > > Uran Nept Plut
> > > 6/24/80 3Cn06 17Sc00 24Cn31 19Ge05.21Vi17 5Vi02
> > > 21Vi06
> > > 22Sc01.20Sg58.18Li58.
> > >
> > > (oops, it lost the columns when i copied and
> > pasted)
> > > it says, Sun at 3 degrees of Cancer (counts to me
> > as
> > > Gemini/Cancer
> > > cusp)
> > >
> > > Moon at 17 degrees of Scorpio!!!!
> > > Mercury at 24 degrees of Cancer
> > > Venus at 19 degrees of Gemini (the . is supposed
> > to
> > > indicate
> > > retrograde)
> > > Mars at 21 degrees of Virgo >>
> > >
> > > Can you please elaborate on what this signifies? I
> > > must have fallen asleep in Professor Sinistra's
> > > astonomy lesson.
> > >
> > > Ellie
> > >
> > That and Professor Trelawney's lessons. You're not
> > alone. I have no idea what all this means, but I'm
> > sure it's significant into Draco's character
> > somehow.
> > I know enough about astrology to have figured out
> > Harry's a Leo and that's it! (And I suppose
> > Hermione's
> > a Virgo as well.) I thought the June 24 date might
> > have some significance in some calendar system, but
> > I
> > had no idea what that could be.
> >
> > Anne
> >
>
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Message: 9
Date: Sun, 11 Feb 2001 22:38:26 -0000
From: queenmarcie at yahoo.com
Subject: Re: Digest Number 564 astrology continued
It's me agian ^_^
Just want to add something. To my observation Draco(if this is Draco)
is born on 6/24/1980's early evening, around 9:00pm.
btw. M and queenmarcie at yahoo.com are both the same person, me.
--- In HPforGrownups at y..., queenmarcie at y... wrote:
> Moon in 120 degrees range with Jupiter(in Virgo 3rd House). The
person
> is likely to success in his career. Negative side would be too
> luxurious, arrogant, and a big ego(in other words, a rich brat).
>
> Moon in 120 degrees range with Saturn(in Virgo 3rd House), is some
how
> a responsible person and follows his plans. But sometimes takes on
too
> much responsibilities.
>
> Moon in 0 degree range with Uranus(in Scorpio 5th House). A
dangerous
> and eccentric person with a brilliant mind to make changes.
>
> Moon in 30 degrees range with Neptune(in Sagittarius 6th House), he
is
> full of ideas at work. But in this position, it almost doesn't his
> life at all.
>
> Moon in 90 degrees range with Pluto(in Libra 4th House). Will be
> violent in family, or had a violent family to grew up in.
>
> An additional note:
> Mercury in 1st House is someone who is comfortable with lying.
> And again if someone finds this to be incorrect please tell me.
>
>
>
> --- In HPforGrownups at y..., M <queenmarcie at y...> wrote:
> > Do you mean that 6/24/80 is some how hinted as Draco's
> > birthday? If it is then Draco is a Cancer (I can't
> > believe it) usually described as motherly figures ^_^;
> >
> > If this is the case, the following is an analysis.
> >
> > With Cancer's ruler Moon in Scorpio is someone who
> > faces unusual situations in their lives.
> >
> > Ruler Moon(in Scorpio 5th House) is in 120 degrees angle range
> > with the Sun(in Cancer 1st House), indicating someone
> > with a lot of energy and usually successful when comes
> > to romance and sex.
> >
> > Moon in 150 degrees range with Venus(in Gemini 12th
> > House) is one with hidden sexual secrets, but does not
> > affect life much.
> >
> > Moon in 120 degrees range with Mercury(in Cancer 1st
> > House), a very smart person also informative.
> >
> > Moon in 60 degrees range with Mars(in Virgo 3rd
> > House), the person's interest lies in new thing,
> > sometime adventures.
> >
> > Please correct me if I got any of this wrong, I just
> > took up astrology not long ago. :)
> >
> >
> > >
> > > Date: Sun, 11 Feb 2001 06:09:27 -0800 (PST)
> > > From: A B <old_wych at y...>
> > > Subject: Re: Digest Number 561
> > >
> > >
> > > --- Ellimist15 at a... wrote:
> > > > Rita said:
> > > >
> > > > << Mo/Dy/Yr Sun Moon Merc Venu Mars
> > >
> > > > Jupi Satu
> > > > Uran Nept Plut
> > > > 6/24/80 3Cn06 17Sc00 24Cn31 19Ge05.21Vi17 5Vi02
> > > > 21Vi06
> > > > 22Sc01.20Sg58.18Li58.
> > > >
> > > > (oops, it lost the columns when i copied and
> > > pasted)
> > > > it says, Sun at 3 degrees of Cancer (counts to me
> > > as
> > > > Gemini/Cancer
> > > > cusp)
> > > >
> > > > Moon at 17 degrees of Scorpio!!!!
> > > > Mercury at 24 degrees of Cancer
> > > > Venus at 19 degrees of Gemini (the . is supposed
> > > to
> > > > indicate
> > > > retrograde)
> > > > Mars at 21 degrees of Virgo >>
> > > >
> > > > Can you please elaborate on what this signifies? I
> > > > must have fallen asleep in Professor Sinistra's
> > > > astonomy lesson.
> > > >
> > > > Ellie
> > > >
> > > That and Professor Trelawney's lessons. You're not
> > > alone. I have no idea what all this means, but I'm
> > > sure it's significant into Draco's character
> > > somehow.
> > > I know enough about astrology to have figured out
> > > Harry's a Leo and that's it! (And I suppose
> > > Hermione's
> > > a Virgo as well.) I thought the June 24 date might
> > > have some significance in some calendar system, but
> > > I
> > > had no idea what that could be.
> > >
> > > Anne
> > >
> >
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Message: 10
Date: Sun, 11 Feb 2001 19:19:22 -0400
From: Angela Boyko <aboyko at nb.sympatico.ca>
Subject: Food, names
About wizard food:
I'm beginning another reread of CoS, and when Harry visits the Burrow
for the first time, he notices the Weasleys have an abundant home
garden. And I think all those chickens aren't pets.
Considering how poorly wizards manage Muggle money, I'm thinking that
the wizard community produces their own food. Pumpkins are really cheap.
Veering off-topic about names:
Catlady wrote:
>I'm the heretic: I still think most of them AREN'T nicknamed. Some
>people formed a club called The Order of the Unbroken Name for people
>who are demanding about being called by their 'real' names instead of
>nicknames. One of the founders was a James who refused to acknowledge
>anyone who called him Jim.
Where do I sign up? Only my beloved aunts are permitted to call me
Angie.
Angela
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Message: 11
Date: Sun, 11 Feb 2001 23:37:15 -0000
From: aichambaye at yahoo.com
Subject: Re: Food, names
Angela writes:
> About wizard food:
>
> I'm beginning another reread of CoS, and when Harry visits the
Burrow
> for the first time, he notices the Weasleys have an abundant home
> garden. And I think all those chickens aren't pets.
>
> Considering how poorly wizards manage Muggle money, I'm thinking
that
> the wizard community produces their own food. Pumpkins are really
cheap.
>
I rather agree. Hagrid manages the Hogwarts gardens. At the beginning
of COS, he discovers Harry in Knockturn Alley. He's there to buy
Flesh-Eating Slug Repellent, because they are into the school
cabbages. (Cabbages are also cheap.)
Heather M.
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Message: 12
Date: Sun, 11 Feb 2001 19:13:38 -0500
From: "Caius Marcius" <coriolan at worldnet.att.net>
Subject: When Dementors Journey (filk)
When Dementors Journey (from PoA, Chap. 5)
(To the tune of Sentimental Journey)
(THE SCENE: A cabin of the Hogwarts Express, en route to Hogwarts.
Passengers include HARRY, RON and PROF. LUPIN. The train suddenly screeches
to halt, and is plunged in darkness. LUPIN magically creates a flame in his
hand for illumination. Enter a Dementor, searching for Sirius Black)
RON
Did you ever see Dementors journey?
They're not too friendly, so I've been told
(HARRY passes out.)
Hey, please, someone - quickly get a gurney
Harry Potter has been knocked out cold
(LUPIN moves to assist him)
HARRY (reviving)
As it entered I felt my spirit sicken
Its dark hood loomin' above me so huge
It looked just like that ghost from out of Dickens
That went time-turnin' with old Mr. Scrooge
LUPIN (giving a slab of chocolate to HARRY)
Choc'late! Please make sure that you consume some choc'late!
As for you, Dementor, hey, now knock it
Off because you are way off-track
Here, we don't have Black.
(Exit Dementor)
ALL
On a train Dementors should not journey
They're all filled with slime and with pus
Here's a lesson that we ought to learn, we
Should only let them ride at the back of the bus.
- CMC
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Message: 13
Date: Mon, 12 Feb 2001 03:28:13 -0000
From: nlpnt at yahoo.com
Subject: Re: Eyesight, Hogwarts' special ed, etc.
--- In HPforGrownups at y..., "Amy Z" <aiz24 at h...> wrote:
>
> Are you suggesting that JKR is a Muggle?! Perish the thought!
>
> Okay, let's say your basic eye problems (near- and far-sightedness,
> etc.) are curable by magic. So:
>
> Why does Harry wear glasses? Because no one's told him they can
> clear up his myopia for him with a flick of a wand.
>
But Hermione DID show him a charm that would keep rainwater off his
glasses; wouldn't she have just told him to go to Madam Pomfrey after
the game to get his eyes fixed? What about Arthur Weasley, when Harry
broke his glasses in Knockturn Alley?
As for PWD students, I'm sure that the first thing they'd be taught
are the relevant spells; possibly a variant of the Sonorus Charm for
someone who's non-verbal, at the very least an Accessibility Spell if
not a reverse of the Leg-Locker Curse for someone unable to walk, etc.
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Message: 14
Date: Mon, 12 Feb 2001 03:33:53 -0000
From: homanm at umich.edu
Subject: brand new fanfiction
Hi Everyone.
I'm sending this message to several HP mailing lists, so I'm sorry
for any doubles people get. I just wanted to announce that my little
brother has just posted the first two chapters of his very first HP
fan fiction on ff.net, and he would love to have some people review
it. It's pretty funny, and I promise your time won't be wasted. His
screen name is Gokuh4060 and the title of his story is "The
Importance of Being Ron." His author page is here:
http://www.fanfiction.net/index.fic/?action=Directory-
AuthorProfile&UserID=42157
A million thanks to everyone who writes him a review. He wants to be
a professional writer someday, but he lacks confidence in his ability
to be funny. Please help him out!
Love,
Meg
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Message: 15
Date: Mon, 12 Feb 2001 03:41:37 -0000
From: nlpnt at yahoo.com
Subject: Re: Weird names (back on topic)(and off again!)
--- In HPforGrownups at y..., "Ebony Elizabeth Thomas" <ebonyink at h...>
wrote:
>
>
>
> These were the lengthened names we came up with.
>
> Ron--Ronald
> Ginny--Virginia, Ginger, or something else with a "Gin" root (my
handy-dandy
> baby name book states that Ginny is a nickname for those two)
>
I always thought "Ginny" was short for "Virginia"; "Ginger" is a nice
possibility, however, particularly with a "Fred" in the family! As
for "Ron" this is one more reason it's a Good Thing JKR is British.
An American family having a son named "Ronald", and born in 1980/81
says more about the parents' politics than anything else!
>
> One of my major pet peeves in fanfiction is that I *hate* when
writers
> misspell canon names. I will NOT read fanfics by or
starring "Hermoine".
I know a woman named "Hermoine"! Her parents wanted to name
her "Hermione" (decades before HP), but the DOCTOR misspelled it on
the birth certificate. I also have a cousin named "Bennjamin" because
his mother was left to fill the certificate out herself, still on
painkillers from the delivery, and put the first "n" down twice when
she was distracted.
BTW, I've also met an elderly gentleman named Ronald Macdonald. He
said that he's been told many times that he should do commercials for
Burger King.
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Message: 16
Date: Mon, 12 Feb 2001 04:00:55 -0000
From: "Rita Winston" <catlady at wicca.net>
Subject: Re: Weird names (off topic again!)
--- In HPforGrownups at y..., nlpnt at y... wrote:
> As for "Ron" this is one more reason it's a Good Thing JKR is
> British. An American family having a son named "Ronald", and born
> in 1980/81 says more about the parents' politics than anything
> else!
There was a time when it was quite common for Americans to name
their sons after the President then in office, regardless whether
they agreed with his politics. I was reminded of this obsolete custom
when a friend told me about his mother's doctors. "There's old Dr.
Magoo, Dr. Herbert, he's the father, and there's young Dr. Magoo, Dr.
Glenn, he's the son, and I get the impression there's another Dr.
Magoo, Dr. Harry, but I've never seen him."
"He must be the Holy Ghost," I replied, and went on to speculate that
we could determine the ages of the Drs. Magoo from their given names,
with Dr. Herbert born in 1928-32, when Herbert Hoover was President,
Dr. Harry in 1945-52 when Harry Truman was President, and Dr. Glenn
whatever year it was that John Glenn was the first human to orbit the
earth.
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Message: 17
Date: Mon, 12 Feb 2001 06:25:34 -0000
From: "Steve Vander Ark" <vderark at bccs.org>
Subject: eyeglasses, buck teeth, and other problems
> >
> > Okay, let's say your basic eye problems (near- and far-
sightedness,
> > etc.) are curable by magic. So:
> >
> > Why does Harry wear glasses? Because no one's told him they can
> > clear up his myopia for him with a flick of a wand.
I wonder--and this is just off the top of my head--if it has to do
with the whole thing of why the Wizarding World wants to keep itself
secret from Muggles...they don't approve of magic being used to just
make mundane problems go away and they know that that's what Muggles
would want to use magic for. Maybe one of the basic philosophies of
the Wizarding World is that you don't just zap your wand here there
and everywhere trying to make yourself perfect in every way, that
doing so wouldn't be good for your character and everyone knows it.
You accept who you are, you work within the minor limitations we all
have in one area or another, because that's part of being a whole
person.
Does that make any sense at all?
Then does the fact fit in that it took an unusual and slightly
underhanded situation for Hermione to "fix" her teeth? She wouldn't
have been able to just ask Pomfrey to change her teeth, but since she
was in that unexpectedly perfect situation, she went for it. I mean,
that's a clear example of a spell being available and Hermione not
using it. I know, I know, her parents wanted her to have braces (for
the same character reasons, probably) but she could have snuck around
that, certainly. Following that logic, if Harry would accidentlly
damage his eyes, he might be able to get Pomfrey unintentionally to
get rid of his near or far sightedness. Maybe he'd better go out and
wrestle with the Whomping Willow and see what happens. It almost
worked for Davey Gudgeon!
Steve Vander Ark
The Harry Potter Lexicon
http://www.i2k.com/~svderark/lexicon
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Message: 18
Date: Mon, 12 Feb 2001 06:58:28 -0000
From: "Neil Ward" <neilward at dircon.co.uk>
Subject: Discussion Summary: GoF/Chapter 30 - "The Pensieve"
Okay, here is this week's GoF discussion summary: Chapter 30 - "The
Pensieve".
A character summary of Severus Snape will follow later today.. as if you
needed an excuse to discuss Snape...
Neil/FFA
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IN DUMBLEDORE'S OFFICE
Harry is left in Dumbledore's office as Moody, Fudge and Dumbledore search
the grounds for Crouch Snr. Nosing around, he spots the Pensieve inside a
cupboard, which is rather conveniently left open. As he stares into the
"light made liquid" in this brain-basin, he is surprised to see a dimly lit
room with an empty chair in the centre, surrounded an audience of witches
and wizards, and, before you can say "Aberforth's Goat!" he has fallen into
the image and is sitting next to a marginally younger Albus Dumbledore.
TRIAL SCENE ONE
Realising that he is in a memory, Harry wonders about the location of the
room: "It surely wasn't Hogwarts." He decides that it is probably a
dungeon. Igor Karkaroff is escorted in by a couple of Dementors and
proceeds to name supporters of the Dark Lord in the hope of buying his
freedom:
**Antonin Dolohov (tortured countless Muggles, already in custody);
**Evan Rosier (dead, put up a fight);
**Travers (helped murder the Mckinnons, already in custody);
**Mulciber (specialised in the Imperius Curse, already in custody);
**Augustus Rookwood (a spy planted in the MoM).
Then, in desperation, as he is about to be returned to Azkaban, he screams
out Snape's name. Dumbledore leaps to Snape's defence and say that,
although Snape had been a Death Eater, he had returned to "our side" and
"turned spy for us".
TRIAL SCENE TWO
The scene fades and a new one replaces it, in which a younger, fit Ludo
Bagman is up before the Council of Magical Law. Bagman had been caught
passing information to Rookwood, but claims he had no idea that Rookwood was
a spy; he had been tempted by the promise of a post-Quidditch job at the
MoM. The crowd becomes outraged at the idea that this popular Quidditch
star could end up in Azakaban, so, when the jury is asked to vote on the
matter, none of them raises a hand. Crouch is incensed. "The day Ludo
Bagman joins us will be a very sad day for the Ministry." he seethes.
TRIAL SCENE THREE
The scene fades and returns again. It's more recent still, and this time
the place is silent. Four people are brought in:
**a "thickset man";
**a "thinner and more nervous-looking man";
**a woman "with thick, shining dark hair, and heavily hooded eyes" who
treats her chair like "a throne"
(and who later screams, "We alone were faithful [to Voldemort]!");
**a petrified boy. "in his late teens" with "straw-coloured hair" (Crouch
Jnr)
Crouch Snr accuses the four prisoners of having subjected the Longbottoms to
the Crutiatus Curse. Frank Longbottom had been an auror and supposedly knew
the whereabouts of Voldemort. The jury vote to send them all to Azkaban,
for life. As Crouch Jnr is dragged out of the courtroom, begging his father
to intervene, Crouch Snr renounces him.
BACK IN THE OFFICE
Real-time Dumbledore returns and pulls Harry back into the office. He
explains the workings of the Pensieve and demonstrates it by removing a
thought strand from his head with his wand (ewwww!). Among other things, it
reveals a memory of Professor Snape saying "it's coming back" .and
"Karkaroff's too.stronger and clearer than ever".
Harry tells Dumbledore about the dream he had in his Divination lesson about
Voldemort, Wormtail and "the snake" (Nagini) and that he had woken up when
his scar hurt. Dumbledore has a theory that the scar hurts when Voldemort
is near Harry or "feeling a particularly strong surge of hatred," because
they are connected by the curse that failed.
Dumbledore begins pacing up and down, occasionally transferring thoughts to
the Pensieve, and becoming so distracted that Harry is forced to keep
calling his attention back to their conversation. Dumbledore reveals that,
like Harry, he has been in correspondence with Sirius Black. They discuss
the Longbottoms, and Harry realises that in four years he never bothered to
find out why Neville lives with his grandmother. Finally, Harry asks
Dumbledore why he thinks Snape no longer supports Voldemort, and Dumbledore
says, with a note of finality, "That is a matter between Professor Snape and
myself".
As Harry leaves the office, he sees Dumbledore looking "older than ever".
QUESTIONS/COMMENTS
(1) Dumbledore seems to age whenever he uses the Pensieve, is this a
trade-off for using it?
(2) "Curiosity is not a sin.but we should exercise caution with our
curiosity," says message-of-the-day-Dumbledore. Would Harry find something
he didn't want to know if he dug too deeply?
(3) Will Harry befriend Neville and will Neville seek revenge for the attack
on his parents?
(4) Bagman is described as "muscly". This is not a word. Could this be
evidence that JKR did indeed write the infamous wand order revision, using
that non-word "untidy-haired"?
(5) Could Dumbledore's reference to "our side" imply some sort of organised
group or is it a reference to non-V supporters in general?
(6) Crouch says to Karkaroff: "you have been brought from Azkaban to give
evidence to the Ministry of Magic." So, was this dungeon at the MoM?
(7) Who were the other people on trial with Crouch Jnr? The Lestranges?
Who else?
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Message: 19
Date: Mon, 12 Feb 2001 07:57:55 -0000
From: sashibuya at hotmail.com
Subject: Re: Discussion Summary: GoF/Chapter 30 - "The Pensieve"
--- In HPforGrownups at y..., "Neil Ward" <neilward at d...> wrote:
> Okay, here is this week's GoF discussion summary: Chapter 30 - "The
> Pensieve".
>
> A character summary of Severus Snape will follow later today.. as
if you
> needed an excuse to discuss Snape...
>
Nah, the ever-fascinating Severus? Heaven forbid we ever run out of
things to say about him.
<snip>
> QUESTIONS/COMMENTS
>
> (1) Dumbledore seems to age whenever he uses the Pensieve, is this a
> trade-off for using it?
Mmmm. It seems to me like it's just an effect of the depressing
memories that makes him age before Harry's eyes.
> (2) "Curiosity is not a sin.but we should exercise caution with our
> curiosity," says message-of-the-day-Dumbledore. Would Harry find
something
> he didn't want to know if he dug too deeply?
I'm guessing this is related to how Dumbledore wouldn't Tell All to
Harry at the end of SS/PS. There must be some really shocking secret
in store, at least as my radar registers.
> (3) Will Harry befriend Neville and will Neville seek revenge for
the attack
> on his parents?
They already are on good terms, so why not? Using my crystal ball, I
see Neville becoming an even more important character. I think he'd
prefer to cure them somehow before seeking revenge, but that it would
be an interesting plot twist for him to confront his parents'
attackers.
<snip>
> (5) Could Dumbledore's reference to "our side" imply some sort of
organised
> group or is it a reference to non-V supporters in general?
I would suspect the latter, as supporting Voldemort was eminently not
a respectable position at the time, and everyone was assumed to be
against him.
<snip>
> (7) Who were the other people on trial with Crouch Jnr? The
Lestranges?
> Who else?
>From Voldemort's comments, it seems very likely.
More questions:
Do you think we'll see the Pensieve again? We conventionally see from
Harry's viewpoint, and normally only extended narration by another
character would let us see into the past.
Was Crouch Jr. lying at the trial, during his outburst?
Did Rita Skeeter report all of the trials? Is all that Harry has seen
generally known?
Charmian
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Message: 20
Date: Mon, 12 Feb 2001 09:23:49 -0000
From: "Doreen Rich" <doreen_iowa at yahoo.com>
Subject: Re: OT: British English help!
--- In HPforGrownups at y..., andeinmn at a... wrote:
> In a message dated 2/11/01 2:10:47 AM Central Standard Time,
> doreen_iowa at y... writes:
>
> > Hi
> >
> > I am new to this kind of group.. so I don't know if I am doing
this
> > correctly. I see that you got your answer to the "revisions"
> > question. If anyone has any other "British terms", feel free to
email
> > me, as I do have a very kind British friend, who supplies me
with
> > definitions for such terms as "plus fours", "treacle",
and "tripe".
> >
> > I am in the middle of reading "The Goblet of Fire", having just
read
> > the other three books in about six days. As soon as I finish
that, I
> > will get busy on the British terms list to send to the lexicon
> > website.
> >
> > My email address is nera at r...
> >
> > Doreen from Iowa
> >
>
> Hi Doreen and welcome from your neighbor to the north. Hope you
have fun
> here and I am looking forward to seeing your list on the Lexicon.
>
> Andrea
Thank you, Andrea. I have found a great partner in my endeavor. I get
to do the easy part... supplying him with Strictly British words or
phrases that we "foreigners" do not use in our every day speech. He
and his friends are then going to be kind enough to supply the
Strictly British definitions of these words or phrases, not so much
as they might appear in a dictionary, (I have looked some up) but
rather how they are used in UK every day speech. A much more
interesting way of approaching it, I think. His name is Neil Ward and
you probably know him all ready.
When Neil offered his help, I could not put it off, but started
sending him stuff from SS. We decided to start at the beginning and
go from book to book, with a few exceptions.
Doreen aka Ms_Lagmuggle
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Message: 21
Date: Mon, 12 Feb 2001 06:45:12 -0500
From: "ender_w" <ender_w at msn.com>
Subject: Re: Re: Eyesight, Hogwarts' special ed, etc.
----- Original Message -----
From: nlpnt at yahoo.com
To: HPforGrownups at yahoogroups.com
Sent: Sunday, February 11, 2001 10:28 PM
Subject: [HPforGrownups] Re: Eyesight, Hogwarts' special ed, etc.
As for PWD students, I'm sure that the first thing they'd be taught
are the relevant spells; possibly a variant of the Sonorus Charm for
someone who's non-verbal, at the very least an Accessibility Spell if
not a reverse of the Leg-Locker Curse for someone unable to walk, etc.
I have to disagree here. I think this is oversimplifying. The sonorous
charm works on the voice itself. Most children who are nonverbal due to
neurological disabilities have absolutely no problem with their voices, but
instead with the parts of their brain that control their ability to use
language. Besides, I'd like to think that if a child has a disability that
can be fixed or changed by magic, it would be done in the early years by
trained medical wizards.
ender
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Message: 22
Date: Mon, 12 Feb 2001 13:14:39 +0100
From: "Monika Zaboklicka" <monika.zaboklicka at csl.com.pl>
Subject: Re: Re: Snape as teacher
Ahh, I love this subject!
All right - that's my theory:
I think that Dumbledore keeps Snape as a teacher not because Snape needs
protection, not because of favouritism but simply because Snape is a *good*
teacher.
Don't kill me before I have a chance to explain!
To be a good teacher, you don't need to like your job (though it helps a
lot), you don't have to be nice, kind, pedagogical or sympathetic. Those
qualities are necessary if you want to be more that a teacher - a tutor. If
you want to be a teacher, it's important how much your students learn and
how well they understand your subject.
A bit off-topic explanation: at high school, my father used to have a math
teacher who was *absolutely* horrible person. She used to yell at her
students, girls rutinely were taking tranquilizers before her lessons, she
was the most hated person at school and yet, more than 20 years later at a
reunion her former students insisted that she was the best teacher! It was
amazing, they were remembering how awful she was and marvelling what a good
teacher she was - all in the same sentence. Reason was very simple - she
*taught* her students math. She taught them so well they haven't even notice
it before they went to universities and *saw* that they are much better at
math than other people. And one more thing - I would like to see somebody
trying to upset my dad by *yelling* at him.
Back on topic, Snape seems to be able to knock some knowledge into his
students' heads. Hermione, Harry and Ron prepare Polyjuice Potion in their
second year. The Weasley twins and Lee Jordan use Ageing potion to get
through Age Line in GoF and I assume they made it themselves.
Snape might be a worse teacher than Lupin or McGonagall, but he's *far*
better than Trelawney or - sorry to say that - Hagrid.
And besides, Dumbledore doesn't seem to mind that members of his staff are
rude to students or even to other teachers. He doesn't mind that Filtch
bullies students, he doesn't react when McGonagall mocks Trelawney *in
public* (Christ, I could never understand this!).
As for Snape's behaviour in class, my pet theory is that Snape *likes* being
mean to students. So, in order to amuse himself (and other Slytherins) he is
awfull to following parties beacause:
a) Neville - he's Gryffindor, poor at potions, and an easy prey - some
people attack easy preys instictively, without even thinking of it, and for
me Snape is such a person. That's sort of :"Don't be so *weak*, you fool, or
I'll kill you for that!". With such people around, delicate persons either
harden up or disintegrate.
b) Harry and Ron - they are Gryffindors, not too bright at potions,
rule-brakers, they escape due punishment much too often, they talk back,
Harry dares to be James's son etc,
c) Hermione - she's a Gryffindor too, she speaks out of turn, dares to be
better at Potions than Slytherins and it's a challenge to upset her, because
she's got so much self control. Thanks Heaven one can ignore her, because
otherwise no Slytherin would have a chance to answer one's question and earn
points.
That's all I can think of bat the moment.
Monika Z.
(the Snape fan)
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