Draco - Durmstrang loction - Igor and Lucius

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Hi,Vlatka,

as to Malfoy- karkaroff: That those two are friends (if Lucius malfoy 
can be somebody's friend, which I strongly doubt), is something Draco 
says when talking to Crabbe and Goyle on the train. And Ron deducts 
that they met at the Quidditch World- Cup.
Of course, they met much earlier, being both of them Death Eaters. 
Lucius M. would not have wanted to send his son to Durmstrang because 
he was such a good friend of Karkaroff's, but because there, he would 
have thorougly learned the Dark Arts, not only defence against them. 
And don't forget that the desire to send Draco there goes back to the 
period of book 1, where the resurrection of Voldemort was not as 
palpable as in book 4- so being associated with somebody on 
voldemort's hit list wouldn#t have been as embarrassing as in book 4.






--- In HPforGrownups at y..., zora_djevojka at y... wrote:
> 
> Saitaina wrote:
> 
> 
> >Each of these quotes point to the dangerous behavior of a bullying 
child.
> >That in itself is really a bigger issue then his weight. That 
bullying will
> >stay with him in life and later endanger his own children. Draco 
Malfoy is
> >not the only one indager having having the SCF (Services to 
Children and
> >Families) or the British equvilent called on him to remove a child 
from his
> >care in this series and it's very sad, and disturbing to see 
people refer to
> >such behavior as popularity.
> 
> While I'm not a Draco apologist, I really do not understand this. 
Draco 
> exhibits his bullying behavior towards the people he considers 
inferior to 
> him. While his mental processes are definitely warped (at this 
time- I like 
> the redemption scenario), this doesn't mean he cannot be genuinely 
devoted 
> to his family. Actually, that's my take on Lucius, too. (Well, not 
> completely. No redemption for him.)
> 
> Koinonia quotes from:
> 
> >--- In HPforGrownups at y..., Christian Stubø <rhodhry at y...> wrote:
> >
> > >
> > > One could also look at this linguistically.  While
> > > Durmstrang is a name derived from German (from Sturm
> > > und Drang, a literary movement advocating the
> > > abandonment of sense), and seems to indicate a German
> > > relation, both Karkaroff and Viktor Krum are Slavic.
> > > This suggests a closer connection to Russia and
> > > Eastern Europe than Germany, though that may be a
> > > later development.  To me, it doesn't not seem
> > > immediately logical that Slavic students would accept
> > > learning in German, rather than Russian, for instance,
> > > when Slavic-speakers certainly are numerous enough to
> > > justify one or more schools on their own ­
> 
> I wouldn't be so sure. The Habsburghs have a lot to answer for. 
Vienna was 
> the center  for much of Central and Eastern Europe, and for a long 
time. 
> Consequently, German was the primary foreign language learned in 
those 
> regions (Now it's English)
> 
> 
> 
> I have a question regarding the friendship between Karkaroff and 
> Lucius.  It is not clear to me when it started exactly. If it was 
during 
> their Death Eating days, than why Igor didn't rat on him, as well. 
Igor did 
> seem pretty desperate to deliver as many names as possible.
> Another possibility is that they met elsewhere (possibly at 
Hogwarts, Igor 
> does say something like "good to be back" when he arrives there in 
GoF) and 
> that Igor knew nothing about Lucius' involvement.
> 
> Also, I think that Lucius wouldn't want to associate too much with 
someone 
> who is on Voldemort's hit list and a security risk (Not quite 
slippery enough).
> 
> Does anyone have any ideas?
> 
> 
> Vlatka
> 
> 
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