MAGIC DISHWASHER (Was: Re: Wandless!Harry - A Fatal Flaw?)

[greg_a126]

No: HPFGUIDX 43206

--- In HPforGrownups at y..., "grey_wolf_c" <greywolf1 at j...> wrote:
> Me, a last time:
> > > And finally, I repeat the basic of Voldemort's reasoning to 
let 
> > > Harry leave: While it is true that he probably needs to kill 
the 
> > > boy, he has still got three years more before Harry finishes 
his 
> > > training (and from Voldemort's PoV, probably even a few years 
more. 
> > > If I was Voldemort, I'd hardly expect Dumbledore to send Harry 
> > > against me at the immediate end of his training). 
> 
> Greg, finally:
> > This is just the definition of bad military tactics.  You said 
it 
> > yourself, "He needs to kill the boy."  If that graveyard scene 
had 
> > happened w/ just about any other wizard, I would find it much 
more 
> > likely that Voldemort would try a disinformation campaign.  But 
> > whatever reason existed 14 years ago for him to want to kill 
this 
> > little brat still exists.  If he's just lost his mother's 
> > protection, I as Voldemort, make sure to kill him before 
Dumbledore 
> > comes up w/ some other enchantment, like he's using at his 
> > relative's house, to keep this kid safe permanently.  
> > 
> > Greg
> 
> But Voldemort isn't sure that he *can* kill the boy, so he takes 
it 
> into consideration for his plans. 

Why, exactly, can he not kill the boy?  He has the boy, tied to a 
gravestone, in the middle of a cemetary, miles from protection.  He 
even has a knife Wormtail had for the ceremony to finish him off.  
If Voldemort doesn't think Avada Kedvara will work, I think an 
awfully bad way to find out for sure would be to do the same thing 
that left him w/o a body for 13 years.  If he isn't sure that 
magical methods will kill the kid, he's going to have to do it 
eventually, why not do it now before he fully grows into his body.  
Let's not forget that Voldemort considered a 1 year old Harry Potter 
a big enough threat to get himself killed.  Why would a 14 year old 
Harry Potter not be an infinately bigger threat, and if he plans on 
allowing him to escape, a 20 year old Harry Potter an even bigger 
threat than that?

>And the fact is that events prove him 
> right: he is unable to kill the boy in the graveyard, but even if 
he   
> *had* killed him, his plans would've still have included the 
posibility 
> of escpaing. Voldemort cannot see the future. He plans, and 
prepares 
> contingency plans. Which means, in this case, that he planned to 
> resurrect and then, once resurrected he planned *trying* to kill 
the 
> brat, but also feed him false information *just in case* Harry 
happened 
> to scape again. 

Here's my other big problem w/ this whole idea.  I'm coming up w/ a 
big blank on any important information Harry brought back.  Names, 
but Dumbledore (via Snape) probably knew about all of them before, 
and unless Voldemort wants to get rid of his followers I can't 
really imagine why he'd be jumping up & down to pass this 
information along to Dumbledore.  And the other thing was his plans 
to recruit the Dementors & Giants, which, to my recollection, 
Dumbledore assumed Voldemort would do w/o ever having to ask Harry.

If Voldemort had started to rant and rave about every witch & wizard 
he was planning on killing & in what order, that'd be one thing.  
But the information that Harry brought back, just does not seem 
anywhere near as important as his death would be.

And, Lo and Behold! that is exactly what happened: 
> Harry *did* manage to escape, even though Voldemort first 
debilitated 
> him and then tried to AK him.
> 
> When objecting to MAGIC DISHWASHER, people tend to miss the main 
point 
> of the idea: that there are *plans* behind what is happening to 
Harry. 
> There was a plan behind the shack scene, engineered by Dumbledore, 
> which almost went *very* wrong. And there was a plan behind the 
> Graveyard Gathering which *included* Harry either *dead or 
escaped*. 
> And we know that because Voldemort isn't stupid, and he *didn't* 
have 
> to talk before Harry. So, since he did, he must have had something 
else 
> in mind.
> 
> Hope that helps,
> 
> Grey Wolf

(I remember the post about there being more to the shack scene that 
was just on the surface, but a brief summary of the "Magical 
Dishwaser" sure would be nice.)

Greg