Voldemorts Resurrection WAS The Spying Game and the Shrieking Shack

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No: HPFGUIDX 39731

--- In HPforGrownups at y..., "grey_wolf_c" <greywolf1 at j...> wrote:
> Marina wrote:
> > That doesn't make sense to me.  If Dumbledore could engineer it so
> > that Voldemort had only one resurrection option left, then why not
> > take that final step and remove the last option, too?  That would
> > leave Voldemort with no resurrection options at all and solve
> > everybody's problems.  (Well, except Voldemort's, obviously.)
> 
> See your own #1 condition: Dumbledore couldn't risk having 
>Voldemort use another resurrection option. We know from PS that 
there >are many avilable. 


Where? I don't remember that. 

>They must difere in quality, easiness, speed, amount of power 
>restored and a few other variables, but they could all restore a 
>dying man's body. Dumbledore wanted V to use this particular one 
>because 
> there is a major flaw in it, albeit that flaw is only known to the 
> greatest experts in the field of potions, i.e. Snape (I say this 
> because I know you won't dare discuss something that puts Snape so 
> high). 


Tom Riddle, after Hogwarts, had disappeared for over fifty years, 
delving into the darkest of Dark Arts. He was "probably the 
brightest" of the students that ever attended Hogwarts. Knowing this, 
you think that Dumbledore would base his entire strategy on the 
assumption that Snape or he would better Voldemort in his own field 
of expertise!? Outwitting Voldemort, who "has gone further than any 
other down the path of immortality" [free quote]? You don't think 
that makes Dumbledore just a tad ... you know ... arrogant ... to the 
point of MEGALOMANIA?

>>Instead, Dumbledore allows Voldemort to come back, betting that 
*all*of the following circumstances will be true:
> > 
> > 1. Voldemort won't discover some other method Dumbledore doesn't 
>>know about.
> 
> Dumbledore is forcefully seeking this one: he leaves a big, great 
>exit door with neon-pink flashing lights on top saying "Follow me", 
>so he doesn't notice the small trapdoor under his feet wich would 
>make him unstopable.
> 

And that's a *good* plan - relying on the stupidity of an enemy who 
is known to be extremely clever?! I'm sorry, but does that really 
make sense to you? Because it sure doesn't to me.  


> 
> This four conditions get down to "Harry will survive", which (in my 
> theory, derived from Pip's) gets a neat True/False answer: Harry 
isn't 
> needed for Dumbledore's plan to defeat Voldemort. If he's killed, 
> more's the pity, but it's a sacrifice to be done to defeat 
Voldemort.  This definetely agrees with Dumbledore the Grey figure.
> 

I have to disagree. That makes Dumbledore Black. If Crouch Sr. is 
frowned upon for allowing Unforgivables against DEs and sending 
suspects to Azkaban without trial, you think that allowing an 
INNOCENT boy to die (even if for a good cause) can be considered 
GREY?! No. Sorry, it's bad. If Dumbledore made that cold hearted, 
cold blooded choice then he is much worse than even Crouch Sr. 


>  
> > 7. After all that rigamarole, the resulting weakness in Voldemort
> > will actually be enough to ensure his defeat.
> 
> That is, in fact, the basis of the plan: Dumbledore searched for a 
> resurrection form that would ensure Voldemort's defeat, since it 
>would the only way to have Voldy play right into his hands. Years 
>back, he discussed it with Snape (and maybe a few others), and Snape 
>provided the perfect formula (the one used by Voldemort). The next 
>thing was, of course, dispose of all other ways of resurrection so V 
>had only one option available. Since that is probably impossible, 
>Dumbledore worked on making it the easiest of the best options. 
>Since the easiest option was the Philosopher's Stone, he first hid 
i>t and then destroyed it (here we see the first sacrifice of the 
>fight: Flammel, who had eons of life still in front of him). 


If Dumbledore was as ruthless as you paint him here, he wouldn't have 
hidden the stone in the first place - he would have destroyed it 
immediately. And he wouldn't have waited for Flammel to agree (in 
that "little chat" they had). He would have just done it, with or 
without permission.

>Then, he continued to cut his other options one by one, but always 
>leaving the Riddle home free (Dumbledore is the owner of the 
>house "for financilal purposes").
> 

^-^ I've always assumed that Voldemort is the wealthy owner. If Tom 
Riddle Sr. was an only child, then Tom Riddle Jr. was the only 
grandson, and therefore the inheritor of the estate. 

> 
> Grey Wolf, who doesn't believe in Evil!Dumbledore, but does believe 
in Dumbledore the Grey, since it pairs well with his own name and 
>with the other greatest magician of fantasy books: Gandalf the Grey.

Gandalf greyness relates to rank among wizards, where the colors -
brown, grey, white - represent venerability, the colors symbolizing 
wisdom and power acquired through age. It had nothing to do with 
moral ambiguity. Besides, Dumbledore is 'the White' - *Albus* 
Dumbledore, remember?


Naama