DISHWASHER/SPYGAMES

pippin_999 foxmoth at qnet.com
Thu Jun 20 14:26:48 UTC 2002


No: HPFGUIDX 40103


Pippin:
> Ultimately, SPYGAMES leaves us back where we started, with 
a  battle of good vs. evil. Voldemort plans to allow  Harry to 
escape the graveyard because he, Voldemort, is not willing to 
face death.  Harry is going to win, not because Dumbledore has 
been more clever than Voldemort, but  because unlike 
Voldemort, Harry and  his friends don't consider their personal 
survival  the highest  cause.>>

To which Grey Wolf enquires as to  the origin of the acronym 
SPYGAMES and how it differs from MAGIC DISHWASHER.

How's this?

L.E.C.A.R.R.E. S.P.Y.G.A.M.E.S.: Lest Evil Conquer, Arrange Rat 
Rescue. Eluding Sirius, Pliable Yeoman Got Away; Machinations 
Ensured Security 

 Pip's theory as presented in her posts does not posit a MAGIC 
DISHWASHER at all. Dumbledore acts because Voldemort has 
broken the stalemate by plotting with Malfoy. It is irrelevant 
whether  Voldemort's aim of invulnerable immortality actually can 
be achieved. Dumbledore probably thinks it can't, IMO. No Dark 
Wizard has ever achieved it, there being no invulnerable Dark 
Wizards currently existing. Any  formula or potion to produce such 
an effect must  therefore be untried, untested and rife with 
unintended consequences and side effects. Then there's the 
unicorns' blood curse--maybe his new body doesn't need it to 
survive, but how long do you think Voldemort can lay off the 
sauce? Anyone who would risk killing unicorns under Albus 
Dumbledore's nose is probably addicted.

The MAGIC DISHWASHER does sidesstep the little problem with 
Dobby, who tells Harry outright that Voldemort in his current form 
had nothing to do with Malfoy's diary plot. He ought to know, I 
think.


Grey Wolf:
>>If you want to take this to the metathinking game of what JKR 
wants to tell us, do so. It's outside the sphere of influence of 
MAGIC DISHWASHER, as I've said so many times before. <<

It's not meta-thinking at all, IMO.  Dumbledore takes great pains 
to make sure that Harry adopts the methods and principles of 
Gryffindor  rather than Slytherin. Indeed some of the list have 
complained vocally that Dumbledore  doesn't miss a chance to 
make Slytherin look bad.   Obviously Dumbledore wants to  
develop Harry's courage and  chivalry, not teach him to scheme. 

Grey Wolf:

>>Harry will win thanks to his intelligence and planning, not due 
to some wild chance, even if some is involved).<<

When have intelligence and planning  proved decisive in Harry's 
battles with the Dark Side? Hermione says it herself: friendship 
and bravery are more important than books and cleverness. 
Again, that's  not meta thinking.  Dumbledore clearly wants  the 
Trio to believe this. That's not to say that Dumbledore doesn't 
believe in  intelligent planning. Yet his action in awarding Neville 
the ten points that put Gryffindor over the top makes it clear that 
he values chivalry and bravery more. 


Dumbledore  deliberately arranges to present himself as a role 
model for Harry. There are plenty of people Dumbledore could 
have trusted to rescue Harry from the Dursleys and pick up the 
stone, but he chooses Hagrid, who  never misses a chance to 
tell Harry what a great man Dumbledore is. I don't think 
Dumbledore would do that if he wasn't trying to live up to the 
Gryffindor ideal himself.

Grey Wolf:
>>On a side note completely, I wonder what JKR will think of to 
stop Voldemort from using his old inmortality spells again on 
himself? (you know, the ones that made it poossible for him to 
survive a rebounded AK). <<

Some of the magical transformations Voldemort went through 
are irreversible--he comes back as Snakeface, not Tom Riddle. 
He's not the same being he was when he began  so he can't 
duplicate the  initial conditions of his experiments. 

Pippin





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