[[HPforGrownups] Re: Cheese... Ron.-bashing Hermione... Harry...]

[heidit at netbox.com]

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"serenadust" <jmmears at comcast.net> wrote:
> You are completely misquoting me here.  Of course there have been 
> love triangles in great literature, and I never said there weren't.  

> However, in each of the examples you name, the love triangle is an 
> intergral part of the plot.  Harry Potter isn't about romantic 
> relationships between the main characters 

In Les Miz, I don't think it's any more "integral" to the plot of justice and
revolution than it would be here. In the Little House books, it's a side note.
I could go through each of them one by one and, saving the Austens, could come
up with reasons why it's not the central part of the narrative in most of the
others. But I fear I would veer off topic were I to do so.

> So you're saying that Hermione continues the friendship with Ron 
> because if she ended it she'd see less of Harry and Ginny? Do you 
> really think she *doesn't* like Ron, but puts up with him to hang 
> around with his best friend and sister?  I have a much higher 
> opinion of her than to think she'd be that pathetic, even if it 
> meant that her time with H & G would be reduced as a result.  She 
> always gets over the arguments with Ron, why can't we?

I haven't seen any indication that we're not getting over it, and I don't
really understand what you mean in that argument at all. And I do think that
she likes Ron, but you have completely misconstrued what I was saying here.
Sometimes, there are people in your life that you like for various reasons,
but a deep or intense friendship with them is impossible simply because on
certain things, you rub each other the wrong way, or you disagree too much. Or
a million other reasons. I don't think it's pathetic at all to be part of
collective friendships, where each one affects the other - and I think
Hermione is smart enough to be aware of that, such that she gets over certain
of her arguments with Ron that get personal or the insults he throws. She gets
over the one in PS/SS, even though she spends the afternoon/evening crying in
the girls' bathroom, but that (I recognize) predates their friendship by quite
a few hours. And she gets over other ones as well - and that's perfectly
sensible and reasonable to do with people you're friends with. However, it's
not necessarily a predeterminor for a fine romance.


> Well, just speaking for myself but while I'm happy to hear my 
> friends suggestions, when they begin to presume that something 
> is "missing" in my life because I don't do what they want me to, I 
> begin to be offended.  Fortunately, I don't have any friends who are 
> this agressive.  This is one thing that I do find obnoxious about 
> Hermione sometimes.  She always is ready to tell everyone else how 
> to run their lives.
And often, she's right. House elves are enslaved, to a large extent (Dobby is
still a house elf, but is no longer enslaved, hence my limitor). Doing your
revising is important. 

Of course, she's wrong too. Lockhart isn't wonderful and Draco isn't the heir
of slytherin. But in balance, the things she encourages the boys to do are
more often good and positive things, than not. 

> 
> 
> Heidi wrote:
> > 
> > 5. The reasonable solution?
> > 
> > Draco/Hermione. 

Jo replied:
> Sorry but, ROFL.  As I remember P&P (read several times over the 
> years), Mr. Darcy doesn't ever wish Miss Bennet DEAD.  While there 
> were major misunderstandings between these two characters, there are 
> none between Hermione and Malfoy.  She LOATHES him, and with very 
> good reason.  Unless she "grows up' to be downright stupid, I can't 
> see her suddenly becoming attracted to someone who regards her as 
> being deserving of extermination because of her bloodline. That's 
> just 
> a bridge too far, for me.

Right. And the idea that Ron's pet would turn out to be a servant of the
wizard who killed Harry's parents would've been a bridge too far in Book 1. Or
on page 200 of Book 3, for that matter. 

> I'm fascinated by the widely divergent interpretations of canon on 
> this list, although I worry that sometimes fanon is making the water 
> very muddy.

Now I am completely unsure what you're saying. Are you trying to suggest that
because in August, 2000, I reread GoF and then the rest of the Trilogy
thinking about it from Hermione's perspective and then from Draco's, with a
goal in mind of writing a fanfic about a friendship between the two of them,
that I have corrupted myself? 

Or are you saying that because I've created an argument that I have put into
"dialogue" form through fanfic, that I am making waters very muddy for myself?
Would it be easier to make this argument credible in your eyes if I had only
argued it onlist? Because if that's the case, then please do go back to my
posts in September, 2000 and read my take on the possibilities between Draco
and Hermione. That predates the first chapter of my fanfic by almost a month,
and might therefore have more credibility in your eyes.

Since I started reading fanfic back in the late summer of 2000, I've always
had the belief that putting arguments that you make onlist into fanfic form
may help one personally suss out one's arguments with more clarity. Isn't that
a good thing?

Heidi Tandy


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