Stereotyping

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No: HPFGUIDX 86736

--- In HPforGrownups at yahoogroups.com, "jwcpgh" <jwcpgh at y...> wrote:
> 
> Laura:
> 
> Kneasy, dear, you seem to have misread Susan's post.  She didn't say 
> the female characters in OoP were role models; she just said they 
> weren't defined by their relations with men.  
> 

Kneasy:
Not really. Try  reading between the lines of my response for a truly 
outrageous stance. You  know I enjoy being provocative so why did
you think I'd miss out on this one? But one must not be brutal and
unfeeling, must one? (And if challenged, it'll be "Where did I say that?")
 

> Laura:
> Quite right.  Real humans aren't walking political platforms (the 
> ones that are tend to be pretty lonely and with good reason).  
> Writers with political points to make do it most successfully when 
> the politics are woven into the plot, it seems to me. Austen, 
> Thackeray, Dickens, Eliot come to mind from the 18th and 19th 
> centuries, maybe Nadine Gordimer, Margaret Atwood from our times.
> 
> 

Kneasy:
Yes, some of those did successfully weave contemporary politics
into the plot, though the plot, not the politics was paramount as you
suggest. (I won't agree about Atwood, though. When she's interviewed
the political message seems to take priority. She's sending messages,
but the messages are those the literary establishment adhere to, so her
knuckles don't get rapped .)

But I hope that JKR sticks to the agenda she's revealed so far. Just
enough to make you wonder, not so much that it irritates.

> 
> Laura:
> I think you might be reading too much into Harry's attempted use of 
> Crucio.  The decision to control is a more subtle choice-you have to 
> have an end in mind when you choose that spell.  Why would Harry 
> want to control Bella?  He just wants to hurt her as much as he 
> possibly can.  
> 
> Although your point stands in that Harry's decision to use any 
> Unforgivable at all could be indicative.  No other kid at the MoM 
> that night tried anything so drastic as far as we know.
>

Kneasy:
Hmm.  I'm starting to  re-assess our Harry.
I think he's being set up for  the 'Temptation' I speculated about in a
previous post.

He shouldn't know how to perform a Crucio! Like all wand magic (as
opposed to the auto-defensive magic) it has to be *taught*. It  needs
to be practised, it  needs power. Harry might be developing the last,
but where did the others come from? I suspect Voldy transferance and
hopefully there is more to come. Have to try and come up  with more
nasties Voldy might  have planted in  his mind.
 
> > Kneasy:
> > How about a psychotic gay murderer who hates women because one of
> > them stole his only true love? Peter, for example? I  could go 
> > along with that.
> 
> Laura:
> Aha-the repressed shipper in Kneasy comes out!  Go for it, Kneasy!  
> Let's see now, who could that true love be?  Of course-it would have 
> to be James, and Lily grabbed him, which is why Peter was so eager 
> to betray J&L to Voldie.  Oh boy-when Snape finds out who was 
> sabotaging the LOLLIPOPS factory, Wormtail is toast...Kneasy, you've 
> made my day!

Kneasy:
Thank you. As a non-SHIPper  I feel quite proud of this one.
It's got everything, hetero sex, gay sex, betrayal, loss, murder, revenge
and retribution (coming right up). Just what  a  fantasy adventure for
teenagers needs. 

There is also the possibility that Sirius was jealous. Oh, my! I can spin this
one for weeks!

Now how can I fit Lupin into this?