SUNLIGHT ULTRA (Was TBAY: Washing dishes and powders

[Shauna <wind3213@hotmail.com>]

No: HPFGUIDX 52223

While Risti and I generally agree on all things dishwashery, 
there are a couple of points where we split, so I'm just speaking 
for myself here.


 
> I reply:
> Well, canonically we have Snape waking up after the 
dementors have 
> already been scared off by Harry's Patronus. So, are you two 
> suggesting that Snape was actually a sort-of witness to the 
whole 
> dementor/Patronus bit?

Well, if you accept that he actually was knocked out, he could 
have woken up at practically any time afterwards, although your 
canon regarding bumping heads in the tunnel suggests that he 
didn't do it immediately.  The problem with waiting until after the 
action's over, is that it leaves a significant piece of time where 
neither Lupin nor Snape has control of the situation.  On the 
other hand, there *shouldn't* have been dementors there that 
night, and Lupin and Snape could have simply expected that 
Sirius, seeing his proof gone, would escape, and HRH would 
return to Hogwarts depressed but perfectly safe. 

I also wonder whether Snape and Lupin could have had a plan 
to accidentally return Lupin's wand to him, so that *Lupin* could 
knock Snape out (in a less painful way - some sort of spell that 
causes unconciousness).  Not only would it fit perfectly with his 
character (Sirius:  Kill him!  Beat him up!  Remus:  Why don't we 
just make him go to sleep...) but it would also emphasize that 
they are *not* working together.  Except we know they are...

HRH's joint expelliarmus was unplanned, but in the end, 
achieved the same result.



> And, so, I'm guessing that you guys are 
> accepting Azkaban!Hagrid in your formulations as well? IMHO, 
I really 
> like that inference. It's something that I had totally forgotten 
> about by the end of GoF. 

I believe that Risti rejects it - she doesn't think that Snape and 
Lupin knew about Pettigrew until that night at the Shrieking 
Shack.  I believe it is only one of several possible ways that 
Snape/Lupin/Dumbledore could have found out that Pettigrew 
was alive (the Marauder's Map and actually getting a glimpse of 
the rat himself are others). 



 
> I reply:
> Okay, this is another point I'm a little confused on. Are you guys 
> saying that Spymaster!Dumbledore *was* or *wasn't* aware of 
the 
> switch in Secret Keepers? I see that you would seem to have a 
> disagreement on this point yourselves. Hmmm. So, you're 
really not 
> proposing anything concrete, right? A lot of the stuff that you 
don't 
> have support for, you're just saying 'Well, it *could* work this 
way, 
> and it *could* work that way,' right? IMHO that's okay, I'm not 
> trying to pick on that point. I just want to know that that's what 
> you're doing. You know the 'flexibility' bit and all...

Yes.  I say that Dumbledore was aware, Risti says that he 
wasn't.  They both fit in with the available canon, and they both fit 
in with Sunlight Ultra.  Flexibility, flexibility...

We have support for these positions, but obviously nothing 
conclusive.



> I reply:
> Yeah - I guess I answered my earlier question. As long as 
you're 
> aware of it, that's cool by me, although it means that 
SUNLIGHT ULTRA 
> relies more on inferences than either of the other two. Although 
I 
> bet we could keep digging around for more...

Yes and no.  I like to believe we have a strong base of canon, 
and then inferences spring up around it.  But that is, of course, a 
matter of opinion...


 
> I reply:
> Well, I argued in my response to the MDDT that the canon's out 
on 
> Wolfsbane potion so far - so, Lupin might have taken it enough 
> earlier in the week to cover this problem. Or, as you suggest, 
he 
> might be lying about not taking it. Wondering what you think 
about 
> that...

I think that while your argument is possible, taking and faking is 
the far safer possibility, especially considering that with both of 
them agents, there's no risk to doing it.


 

> I reply:
> Two points on this passage: 
> 1) If Lupin had been watching the map for quite a while now, 
and had 
> seen Sirius on it, then he would have seen Pettigrew already, 
right?
> 2) Again, I totally agree here - the plan is being implemented 
as a 
> last minute thing, so there are definitely holes in whatever 
plans 
> are being made, and I agree that it was probably a spin-off of 
an 
> earlier plan.

Point #1 - Speaking for myself, yes.  I believe that Snape and 
Lupin had more than just twenty minutes or so to readjust their 
plans - perhaps as many as a few weeks.  But Risti will have to 
answer for herself on this one.  I'm sure she has a reason.

Point #2 - Speaking for both of us, this is a point of Sunlight Ultra 
that we can't stress enough.  We're glad you agree.


>Great job!
> 
> -Tom

Thanks,
Shauna