[HPforGrownups] MadEye & Malfoy - James & Snape - Everyone & Umbridge

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In a message dated 7/7/03 2:23:19 AM Eastern Daylight Time, kemp at arcom.com.au 
writes:
> Why do we love Snape so much? Everyone is anti-James because we see 
> an *edited* snippet of the way he treated Snape, but we see none of 
> how Snape treated him, none of the "pre-pensieve event" life.

Who's this we of which you speak?  You make it very clear that you hate 
Snape.  There are *plenty* of anti-Snapes out there *coughDARRINcough* :-) .  Not 
everyone is anti-James.  I don't think it's edited.  I agree with Diana - it's 
like a camcorder.

> None of us are anti-MadEye!Crouch because he turned Malfoy into a 
> ferret. Because Malfoy is a Git.

*raises hand* Um...I hate MadEye!Crouch for that...It doesn't matter that 
Malfoy is a git, you don't turn people into ferrets.

> None of us is sticking up for Umbridge - poor woman get's undermined 
> by teachers, left to the centaurs, and then run out of Hogwarts by 
> students and staff alike. We still don't think she got her just 
> desserts. Because Umbridge is a Git.

Umbridge is worse than Snape is very many ways.  That blood quill?  C'mon 
man...even Snape wouldn't do that.  Maybe he's vampire and he can't stand the 
blood without wanting to drain the life from students! ... or not!

> So why are there so many "Snape Admirers" out there??
> 
> He is an awful person. He's an Ex Death Eater - obviously a good role 
> model for a start. He abuses his position as a member of staff. He 
> has poor (if any) teaching skills. He belittles students. He plays 
> favourites. Bad tempered. Hostile. Poor personal hygiene. He still 
> sulks about his life at school. What's to like about the Git?
> 
> And yet when he is "disarmed" by HRH in the Shrieking Shack during 
> his tirade, we call *them* reckless. 
> 
> When he is tormented by James, we feel sorry for him and attack James.

As a famous wizard put it "The world isn't divided into good guys and Death 
Eaters."  :-)  As alot of people have brought up, Snape is a gray character in 
a world of black and white.  He's, as kai said, 3-D.  Notice the "ex" in front 
of Death Eater?  You're going to pick on a person's character because of bad 
personal hygeine?  That's a little weak IMHO.  Shouldn't people feel sorry for 
everyone who gets attacked?  Is Snape a special "No sympathy at any cost" 
case?  HRH *were* reckless in disarming him.  You don't attack teachers.  I 
mean...students don't attack teachers.  Lupin could've handled it.

> Why aren't we pro Umbridge? Let's see more of the "Quill of Death"!
> Why aren't we disgusted at McGonnagal's behaviour toward Umbridge?

The Quill of Death is more sadistic than anything else I've read in this 
series.  It's just wrong.

> Below is a snippet of a Harry/Malfoy episode. If *this* was all 
> Harry's son had seen of his dad's treatment of Malfoy at school, he 
> might get an unbalanced view of his dad. And asking Ron and Hermione -
> they might say that he (Harry) was good at everything and that He 
> never got on with Malfoy and that he took every opportunity to 
> torment him, because he (Malfoy) too is a Git.
> <snip Harry and Draco conversation)
> Just my POV but, it's easy with editing to show anyone in a bad 
> light. 

How does that make Harry look bad?  It doesn't to me....
People like Snape because he's complex.  Say whatever you like about him, it 
doesn't take away from the fact that he is one of the more interesting 
characters in the series.  We learn more about him with each book.  At first we think 
he is just a stock character, your typical bad guy.  We find out there's more 
to him that what we see.  
Everyone just loves to attack Snape.  There's canon both for and against him. 
 I, for one, would like to know why everyone seems to love Hagrid.  I think 
he's worse than Snape in some ways, yet everyone is always saying how great 
Hagrid is.

~*~*~Oryomai~*~*~


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