Shrieking Shack in PoA was Re: Who's at fault for Snape v. Harry?

[darrin_burnett]

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Irene:

> 
> I wonder if Snape knows about Harry's heroics in CoS. With what we know 
> about Dumbledore's modus operandi, it's not at all obvious.

If D-Dore truly didn't tell Snape, then I think we can assume Snape's place on 
the pecking order is fairly low. McGonagall knew.  

I think Snape would have known. I think all the teachers and a good portion of 
the student body would know. The kids in the DA class make reference to it in 
OoP.


Irene: 
 
> These kids could not believe Lupins's story for several pages.
> He needed to throw all the trust he built with them during the year,
> plus "Harry, I was your father's friend" at them to make them listen.
> And still it was not enough for Ron, who only listened at wandpoint.

> With Snape, he has zero trust foundation, and now I quite agree with
> you - whatever Lupin was saying at this point would not matter.

But, once again, Snape is the adult. I continually return to that in nearly every 
Snape thread I am in.  And he was acting like a lunatic in the canon I showed. 


> I read the thread about Marauders' map, and I really think Lupin is 
> paying for his mistake there.
> 
> This whole year he was behaving exactly as 15-year old. When he was a 
> prefect, he ignored his duties out of the loyalty to his friends.
> In PoA he, out of loyalty to the memory of his friends, does not inform 
> Dumbledore about Sirius abilities and ignores his duty as a teacher to 
> put school security above all. And this reaches culmination in the 
> "Snape's Grudge" chapter, where Lupin takes Harry's side as if he was 
> his friend who needed help getting away from punishment.
> So yes, it would be so much simpler if Snape would just listen, but it's 
> hard to blame him when he does not believe one word coming from Lupin 
now.

Harry himself is faced with the man who everyone believes betrayed his 
parents. Ron is hearing that the creature he's had as a pet was a Dark Lord-
supporter and both are willing to listen long enough.

Once again, 13-year-olds are showing more maturity and restraint than 
Snape. 

Whatever Snape suffered at the hands of Sirius, let us remember that Harry 
has every reason to believe that  Sirius Black essentially orphaned him.

If he can take a minute, Snape damn well can.

If Snape were behaving more rationally the entire time, I'd be more 
appreciative of his concern that the kids were under the Confundus Curse.

 
> If we agree that actions speak louder than words then I think we can 
> allow that he didn't plan to call the Dementors on Sirius and wanted to 
> bring him to the castle alive all along.

Perhaps this is true, and he wanted Sirius to beg. But, then the joke would 
have been on Snape, because I have every confidence Dumbledore would 
have listened and Pettigrew/Scabbers would have been outed and Sirius 
would have eventually been free.

Darrin