TOP 10 LIST OF WHO COULD LEARN MAGIC LATE IN LIFE

[Susan Smith]

No: HPFGUIDX 69175

--- In HPforGrownups at yahoogroups.com, "bjliii" <bjliii at y...> wrote:

RE:  Petunia-The family is a family of Muggles.  She could have 
gotten a Hogwarts letter years ago, but didn't.

<A.G> True she did not get a letter then, but times have changed, a 
war is starting, Albus never imagined dementors would go to Little 
Whinging (spelling?) and Petunia is downright scared.  We also know 
Muggle or not-they are capable of learning magic (Hermione is perfect 
example) so do not rule out Petunia-she and Albus have some sort of 
link and she may deman to learn magic.

RE:  Hagrid-Definitely possible he'll get some training, but he's a 
confirmed wizard.

<A.G.> Where is canon on him being a fully accomplished adult 
wizard?  He was never allowed to complete his training. His magic is 
second rate and experimental he has now been cleared and will be 
allowed to do magic-but I would recommend he "train up a bit first" 
then he will become a better wizard and a "thumping good one, I 
wager".
 
RE: Dudley- No letter.  The owls would have kept coming, and coming, 
and coming, and coming .....

<A.G.>  I suspect that the reason the person JKR refers to 
is "learning magic late in life" is because they did not go through 
the regular course of recruiting, letters, replies, etc.  I believe 
the person will be "called forth" for training as a direct result of 
a need by the order, or perhaps a threat to their life-don't rule out 
ole Duddykins, yet.  He would make a great Slytherin terrorizer. 
 
RE:  Narcissa - In the absence of statements to the contrary, we need 
to assume in the magic world that everyone casts spells.  Hermionie 
is the EXCEPTION in the Muggle world - there is no need to mention 
that a specific Muggle can't produce magic.  In the Magic world, 
there's no reason to mention that a certain person CAN produce magic.

<A.G.>  Good point-so for now I will just stick with my theory that 
the daffodil, Narcissa is related to the flower children of the Evans 
family.

RE: Cornelius Fudge-He's the MOM.  In the absence of other evidence, 
he's a spell caster.

<A.G>  True he is a caster, yet no one said JKR meant learn all magic 
late in life-what if all she really meant was they would learn the 
Dark Arts-late in life.  I think Fudge is angry at the last year, 
angry with Albus and would not put it past Voldemort to try and seize 
the opportunity and convert.

RE: Mr. Olivander- Confirmed wizard.  See GoF "Weighing of the Wands."

<A.G.> - yeah I know-but something about that mysterious single wand 
on display in his window theory speaks to my inner soul

RE:  Gilderoy Lockhart -  Confirmed wizard.  Too many references in 
CoS to mention.

<A.G.>  Again, think about the way JKR works-she never indicated that 
the one who learns magic may not already have been exposed to it.  
Perhaps Lockhart will learn the CORRECT way to do everything he has 
been doing wrong and at a very important time-save the day with the 
right spell (Ha Ha).

RE: Umbridge - Confirmed witch.  Lots of spells in OoP.

<A.G>- really-look back on that-there were not so many as you would 
think?  We do not know that it is she who charmed the quill to 
engrave detention students hands; she was not one of the group who 
stunned McGonnagal rushing to Hagrid's rescue; she relied on Snape to 
make her Veratiserum; etc.

I give you that she did call out ropes to wrap around the centaur in 
the forest, and she attempted to stun several, but she has definitely 
been promoted in the MoM far beyond her abilities and for alternative 
reasons-because she definitely is not a well qualified magical 
entity.  She really needs continuing education and recredentialing 
more than anyone.

RE:  #9 and #10-

<A.G.>  you may have missed the post that said these were thrown in 
to round out the ten, and the one that indicated the bonus listings 
to be for comic relief. 

<A.G.> 
We all need to lose our hang-up that the usual status quo will govern 
upcoming events in Book 6 and 7.  There may not be a letter from 
Hogwarts for many who will soon be training in DADA for our side.  I 
think we will start to see alll kinds of Wizards/witches in training, 
magical creatures, Muggles in the know (like the Grangers) and non-
invitees (by letter) joinging forces, banding together and being 
trained by some of the best and worst (because Voldemort will 
recruit, too).out?

<bjliii> also wrote: <SNIP> And even more interesting to me is the 
possibility that Harry (and possibly others) will discover how to 
cast focused spells without wands.  We know that all wizards can but 
the results are generally poor.  But what if someone works at it?

<A.G.>  I think this will be key to the ultimate final meeting 
scripted by the prophecy-after all we know that Tom and Harry's wands 
will not work against each other.

OOOh!  Just a thought -the person who learns magic late in life is 
named Richard, but his friends call him Dick.  This way JKR can title 
Book 6: Every Tom, Dick and Harry Duels

Cheers back at you.

A.G.