Hermione/Snape (OoP and a bit from PS/SS) also broom-bucking

[darrin_burnett]

No: HPFGUIDX 69967

> > Do I think what he did was as bad as murder? No. But I do consider
> it to be equivalent to an assault.

 


> I doubt a court of law would agree with you.  If the police started
> going around arresting people for saying mean things, particularily 
in a British public school, there'd be more people in jail than out of
> it.  What Moody/Crouch did in the ferret incident, that WAS assult,
> which is why, Darrin, *she says pointedly* I DON'T think the 
incidents are remotely comparable.

No, they aren't comparable, but not only in the way you say. 

Hermione was an innocent bystander, even someone, had Snape bothered 
to investigate -- <returning the rather pointless addition of the 
word "pointedly" to this> -- who tried to STOP it from happening.

Draco was an instigator.

But even beyond that. Moody!Crouch was not a teacher. He was an evil 
man with a special agenda that included ingratiating himself to Harry 
and, as a bonus, bouncing a DE's kid around a bit. 

Snape, unless we find out he's actually a Polyjuiced Rodolphus 
Lestrange, IS a teacher. 

But, I'll make a promise. If we find out Snape was taken over by a DE 
or otherwise evil character for that moment, I will certainly re-
evaluate the situation. 


 And, from way back when, Darrin's original post on the topic:
> 
> >He insulted a student's appearance in front of her peers AND, most
> >unforgivably, refused to get an injured student to medical 
attention. >In the real world, he'd be facing disciplinary action, a 
possiblelawsuit, and depending on the strength of the teacher's union 
and the >guts of the school board, might be out of a job.
> 
> Geez, no wonder no one can make a move any more without getting 
sued.  Is this really what happens in American schools?  All he did 
was failto say "Hospital wing, Granger".  If he'd made her sit 
through class with the huge teeth, then you'd start having a point.  
Suggesting he"refused to get her medical attention" is warping what 
happened to a really extraordinary degree.  

Again, in "the real world" teachers are expected to behave in a 
certain manner. 

That is where my point begins and ends and believe me, I've already 
started having it.

A student has been injured, through no fault of her own -- though, 
even if she was the instigator, you get her to the hospital wing and 
then punish her later -- and Snape not only refused to help her, he 
insulted her appearance. 

Say there is a shoving match on the playground and one student is 
pushed into another, innocent bystander, who falls and gets hurt, 
say, knocking out a tooth. Maybe the student already has a crooked-
tooth problem.

The teacher gets one student to the nurse and then says to the 
student with the tooth problem, "Well, that's an improvement."

If this kind of thing would be condoned or ignored, which is as good 
as condoning, in non-American schools, then I'm not sure that's 
something to brag about.

As has been pointed out, he made sure Goyle got to the hospital wing, 
so you have a clear case of favoring one student over the other. 

Trust me, this incident would have hit the newspapers, about 100 
people would have descended on the school board meeting, and soon 
enough, that teacher would be disciplined. How severely depends, as I 
said, on the guts of the board and the willingness of the union to 
stick behind this person.

> I'm startin to get the feeling, though, that talking to Darrin about
> Snape, is rather like talking to Snape about Harry... *grin*

No, I'm actually mature enough to give him credit when it is due, and 
if you'd read my posts, you'd see that. Let me know when you have 
finished your research.

Or let me know if you don't wish to bother. *grin* 

 
> I merely meant that, well, now we know how Snape is familiar with 
that particular curse.  I'll hold your hand, Darrin, through the 
logic:  Snape, bucking broom, laughing girl.  Bucking brooms 
historically associated with curses, to which Snape knows the 
remedy.  I assume that the broom-bucking curse is quite rare because 
no one >else in the stands, including Madam Hooch, seemed to know 
what to do >about it.  Possibility that Snape learned the 
curse/remedy from this >previous Snape/bucking broom/curse situation 
seems high.  That's all >I was saying.

Or, the fact, that he was sitting right next to Quirrell and realized 
what he was doing could have something to do with knowing what to do 
and the thing isn't all that rare, just not expected in a school 
Quidditch match. 

Since they check over the Firebolt for about a dozen different 
things, it seems the other teachers know how to look at a broom. 

But, thanks for the hand-hold. I hope it was as good for you as it 
was for me.

Darrin