wizard punishment/Squibs/ApparateatHogwarts/underageMagicUser/#students/Sept1
Catlady (Rita Prince Winston)
catlady at wicca.net
Sun Jul 13 21:46:47 UTC 2003
No: HPFGUIDX 69970
T.M. Sommers wrote in
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/HPforGrownups/message/69856 :
<< However, Azkaban seems to be the only form of punishment
available. Hagrid is sent there without even having charges lodged
against him. >>
Azkaban seems to be the only form on IMPRISONMENT available. Hagrid
was sent there for preventive detention. We know of at least one
other punishment: breaking the person's wand and forbidding them to
do magic. I believe there is also some mention of fining law-breakers.
<< What Malfoy did was wrong. Letting Malfoy get away with what he
did would be wrong. Punishing him was not wrong. Think of it as
detention: Malfoy was detained for a couple of minutes in a ferret's
body. >>
Detention is not supposed to include being bounced hard from ceiling
to floor so as to squeak in pain.
Komogata Mai wrote in
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/HPforGrownups/message/69861 :
<< Maybe Squibs are just random mutations. (as some muggle-born
children might be). >>
I'm inclined to think that Squibs are like babies with birth defects.
Some defects result from random mutations, but others are result of
something that happened during pre-natal development, such as if the
mother was exposed to some dangerous chemical. I also told my own
theory about Squibs in
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/HPforGrownups/message/69821
I think the Kwikspel was aimed at low-power or low-trained wizards,
not at Squibs.
Lexy582003 wrote in
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/HPforGrownups/message/69862 :
<< Hagrid mentions that Dumbledore uses the Thestrals if he is going
on a journey and doesn't want to apparate (OotP21)- I thought no one
could apparate or disapparate in Hogwarts - Hermione is very clear
about this and mentions it in all the books. Does this mean that
Dumbledore can do it because he is such a great wizard, or that he
is the one who casts the protection spells over Hogwarts and is
therefore exempt? >>
I thought Dumbledore (and everyone) walks or something to the gates
of Hogwarts campus and Apparates from just outside the gate.
House Elves can Apparate at Hogwarts (in CoS we saw Dobby do it),
presumably because "they have powerful magic of their own", and there
is an old theory that Dumbledore is a House Elf (sometimes specified
as Nicolas Flamel's House Elf) who changed his appearance into a
wizard, and that is why he saw socks in the Mirror of Erised. And
that is why he's such a powerful wizard, he has both House Elf magic
and a wand. I don't believe that theory.
Nicholina wrote in
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/HPforGrownups/message/69864 :
<< The MoM doesn't seem to start keeping track of underage magic
users until they start at a wizarding school. Someone must, though,
in order to figure out who to accept in school - perhaps Hogwarts. >>
About how they get accepted to Hogwarts:
http://www.scholastic.com/harrypotter/author/transcript1.htm says:
"JKR: The Ministry of Magic doesn't find out which children are
magic. In Hogwarts there's a magical quill which detects the birth of
a magical child, and writes his or her name down in a large parchment
book. Every year Professor McGonagall checks the book, and sends owls
to the people who are turning 11."
About underage magic, many listies have posted over the years
that Mafalda Hopkirk's letter in CoS specified: "(Decree for the
Reasonable Restriction of Underage Sorcery, 1875, Paragraph C)." So
it existed in Lily's time, but wasn't enforced. It doesn't seem very
enforced now, except on Harry, in OoP where we know they were
specially watching him in an attempt to discredit him, and in CoS
where it was actually Dobby who did the magic ... it has been
suggested that it was also Dobby who tipped off Mafalda.
Ravenclaw Black wrote in
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/HPforGrownups/message/69938 :
<< I think there is some merit to the idea that Gryffindor, and
Ravenclaw may be much smaller than the mean, and Hufflepuff is much
larger. (snip) After all, we know that Hufflepuff "takes all the rest"
>>
Canon suggests that Hufflepuff is the same size as the other Houses.
WHen Gryffindor and Slytherin had Potions together, we were told
that 20 cauldrons were set out (why, when the students have their
own cauldrons?) and when Gryffindor and Hufflepuff had Herbology
together, 20 pairs of earmuffs were set out.
Karen Evans wrote:
<< Is it just me or does Hogwarts always start on September 1? Maybe
I made that up, but I seem to remember it always being like that. If
that's the case then some years school would start on the weekend. >>
JKR doesn't use a real calendar of any year. The Hogwarts Express is
always on September 1st and the next day is always Monday. I think
Lexicon Steve also found a place where she had Thursday and the next
day was another Thursday.
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