Don't Forget that Even Dumbledore Can Be Wrong (or elusive)

[kattfirmin1]

No: HPFGUIDX 70934

--- In HPforGrownups at yahoogroups.com, "yale sam wahl" <yswahl at s...> 
wrote:
> 
> "The one with the power to vanquish the dark lord 
approaches .....  [BUT
> SUPRISE, IT IS NOT HARRY POTTER WHO WAS] ....... born to those who 
have
> thrice defied him, born as the seventh month dies.... [HA HA ... 
THE DARK
> LORD THINKS IT IS HARRY POTTER,  SO HE WILL TRY TO PREVENT HARRY 
POTTER FROM
> BECOMING A THREAT] .... and the dark lord will mark him as his 
equal, but he
> will have power the dark lord knows not  ..... [BUT THAT WONT MAKE 
A DAMNED
> BIT OF DIFFERENCE BECAUSE HARRY POTTER IS NOT NECESSARILY THE ONE 
WHO WILL
> VANQUISH LORD VOLDEMORT!  WHEN HARRY POTTER AS A BABY SURVIVES THE 
DARK
> LORD'S INITIAL ATTACK, HE WILL BECOME FAMOUS FAR AND WIDE IN THE 
WIZARD
> WORLD AND WILL EMERGE AS THE DARK LORD'S GREATEST AND MOST OBVIOUS 
THREAT.
> BECAUSE OF THAT, THE DARK LORD WILL RELENTLESSLY PURSUE HARRY 
POTTER AS LONG
> AS EITHER OF THEM LIVES, ] ...... and either must die at the hand 
of the
> other for neither can live while the other survives .......  [ BUT 
YOU,
> ALBUS, SHALL BE ABLE TO PROTECT THE BOY HARRY POTTER FROM THE DARK 
LORD. YOU
> CAN REST ASSURED THAT EVEN IF THE DARK LORD IS ABLE TO KILL HARRY 
AFTER YOUR
> PROTECTION CEASES, ] .... the one with the power to vanquish the 
dark lord
> will be born as the seventh month dies .......  [JUST LIKE HARRY 
WAS ......
> AND IT COULD BE ANYONE AT ALL ...... ANYONE AT ALL.... AND THOUGH 
THE DARK
> LORD MAY THINK HE HAS WON, HE WILL BE VANQUISED IN THE END.]
> 

Okay, is there any canon that states Voldermorts birthday?  I was 
thinking that maybe the prophesy refers too two different people, 
and it's not who we think it is.  My translation, and I'll follow 
the above example and put my own thoughts in caps.

"The one with the power to vanquish the dark lord approaches .....  
THE PRONOUN ONE HERE MEANS WE CAN'T KNOW IF IT'S A BOY OR GIRL

...born to those who have thrice defied him, born as the seventh 
month dies.... 

YOU KNOW, WE ASSUME THAT REFERS TO THE PREVIOUS STATEMENT, BUT WHAT 
IF IT REFERS TO LV?  WHAT IF LV FEELS THAT HIS PARENTS DEFIED HIM IN 
SOME ODD WAY BEFORE HE WAS EVEN BORN?  HIS DAD LEAVING HIS MOM, HIS 
MOM GETTING PREGNANT BY A MUGGLE, AND THEN HIS MOM DYING AFTER 
CHILDBIRTH LEAVING LV TO BE RAISED IN AN ORPHANAGE?  SINCE I THINK 
LV IS NOT IN TOUCH WITH NORMAL REALITY, LV MIGHT HAVE PONDERED THESE 
THINGS GROWING UP, WARPED THEM IN HIS HEAD, WHICH IS WHY HE STARTED 
BECOMING THE EVIL SCUMBAD HE IS NOW

... and the dark lord will mark him as his equal, but he will have 
power the dark lord knows not  ..... OKAY, I HAVE NO CLUE, THIS 
WOULD IMPLY THAT WE ARE AGAIN SPEAKING ABOUT A MALE THAT WILL 
DESTROY LV, BUT MAYBE ONE OF YOU HAVE AN IDEA

... and either must die at the hand of the other for neither can 
live while the other survives ....... I THINK THIS IS IN THE GREATER 
SCHEME OF THINGS, THE FACT THAT LV AND HARRY ARE BOTH LIVING RIGHT 
NOW DOESN'T REALLY MATTER, BECAUSE THEIR DESTINY IS WRAPPED UP IN 
EACH OTHER, BUT AGAIN, NO PRONOUN, MAYBE A DIFFERENT MEANING THAN 
THE OBVIOUS?

... the one with the power to vanquish the dark lord will be born as 
the seventh month dies .......POSSIBLY REFERING BACK TO THE SAME 
PERSON IN THE FIRST SENTENCE.  

The point I'm trying to make is that possibly the boy or boy and 
girl of prophesy could be someone other than Harry or Neville.  If 
we remove the born to someone who has thrice defied him, then it 
could be anyone born in July.  Hmm, Hermione is born in Sept, so 
she's out.....

Katrina