Don't Forget that Even Dumbledore Can Be Wrong (or elusive)

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No: HPFGUIDX 70953

--- In HPforGrownups at yahoogroups.com, "yale sam wahl" <yswahl at s...> 
wrote:
> All of a sudden it hit me ..........
> 
> Read Sybill Trelawney's  prophecy again very carefully ...... ( OoP 
pg 841
> us ed.)
> ....
> uhhhh ..... where does TRELAWNEY  say directly that "the one with 
the power
> to vanquish the Dark Lord" is indeed Harry or .... even male ?

The prophecy does say that "And the Dark Lord wil mark him as his 
equal, but he will have power the Dark Lord knows not..."  Though I 
suppose that "him" and "he" could be used to mean "one."

> We know that, by his own admission and as Harry's mentor and 
protector,
> Dumbledore  hid a lot from Harry for his own safety and 
protection........
> and the pensieve contains Dumbledore's thoughts  --- NOT 
necessarily the
> prophecy itself, and not necessarily his COMPLETE thought on a 
subject!

<snip discussion about the objectivity of the Pensieve>

........ so why should
> this far more important "pensieve prophecy" be considered as a 
complete
> recording rather than an edited one ?
 
If Dumbledore was going to edit the prophecy for content to continue 
to deceive Harry, why show him the memory of the prophecy at all?  
Why not just tell Harry what the Prophecy said?  Then he could just 
tell Harry whatever he wanted.   

> Also notice the extensive use of dots to indicate pauses or 
snippets of
> thoughts , rather than one complete thought. Maybe, just maybe, 
Dumbledore
> got out his WPP {wizard's Pensieve Processor} and did some editing 
before
> showing [his version of] the prophecy to Harry......

There are also dots used in Trelawney's Prediction in PoA, which 
Harry witnessed himself.

<Snipping the COMPLETE prophecy as I have nothing specific to add> 

> Even more suspicious, is how JKR describes the answer to Harry's 
question
> "it might not be me?"
> 
> "I am afraid," said Dumbledore slowly, looking as though every word 
cost him
> a great effort,  "that there is no doubt that it is you."
> 
> I wonder whether DD was indeed telling the truth, considering how 
much he
> hid from Harry before.  Maybe it is vitally important that LV along 
with
> everyone else think that Harry Potter is indeed the main threat, 
giving
> someone else the power and chance to kill LV. And just maybe, that 
is why DD
> expends such effort to lie again, and why he cries at the end of 
their
> meeting.
I don't like the idea that Dumbledore is manipulating Harry and 
everyone else on such a level.  It's dangerous that he's the only one 
with this information.  Besides, as you said earlier in your post, 
Dumbledore is Harry's mentor and protector who has been keeping 
things from Harry to keep him safe.  This in no way keeps Harry safe, 
but in fact puts him in more danger to allow Voldemort and everyone 
else to continue believing the prophecy is about Harry.  Voldemort 
will keep going after Harry and if Harry isn't the one with the power 
to stop him, he's not going to last long.  I hope that's not how it 
goes.  And I would hope that Dumbledore has more respect for Harry 
than to use him in this manner, particularly because he *has* kept 
Harry in the dark so much in the past.

<snip> 

> Sam {who has entirely too much time on his hands, so to speak}

KathyK (who should be looking for grad schools or a better job but is 
instead here, reading about Harry Potter)