OOP: A few Points on Snape and other things

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No: HPFGUIDX 62382

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> Tamara said:
> > I see Draco more like James than Snape.  Draco is a bully who 
> bullies 
> > for no reason.  He doesn't just treat Harry and co badly, he 
> treats 
> > everyone who isn't Slytherin badly.
> 
> 
> I disagree.  I still think that Snape and Draco are very much 
alike, 
> and I don't think that Snape's memory tells us everything about 
> James' personality.  Snape DID come to Hogwarts knowing more 
curses 
> and jinxes than anyone in seventh year (Lupin told us this in 
PoA).  
> And he did try to jinx James whenever he got a chance (Sirius and 
> Lupin tell us this in OoP).  We did get an insight into how Snape 
> felt, but I think this is how Draco would feel.  Don't the trio 
jinx 
> Draco in a similar way that James does to Snape?  The trio does 
get 
> a kick out of everything bad that happens to the Slytherin gang, 
> just like the Marauders get a kick out of being mean to Snape.  
And 
> Ron does think it's OK to be mean to Malfoy for basically being 
> Malfoy, just like James does to Snape.  Ron always says that Draco 
> is a git and deserves whatever he gets.  Ron's basically saying 
that 
> it's OK to torment Draco since he's Drace.  James is more upfront, 
> and says he torments Snape just b/c he's alive and is Snape.  I 
> think that Harry will finally understand that treating Draco as he 
> does, no matter if Draco deserves it, is plain mean.  I think 
Harry 
> will finally realize that anyone can feel humiliated, regardless 
of 
> the reasons behind the humiliation.  And the people humiliated 
will 
> view the humiliators as arrogant @sses.  
> 
> I actually think that Ron is very similar to James, not Harry.  
Ron 
> goes along with whatever Harry (or the twins) do, much like James 
> does with Sirius.  And Ron did rumple his hair to make it 
windblown, 
> just like James does.  He likes being the center of attention 
(again 
> like James), and shows off when others are looking.  He enjoys 
> tormenting Draco, just because Draco is Draco.  Harry, on the 
other 
> hand, is definitely his mother's son.  He doesn't get a kick out 
of 
> humiliating people (with the exception of the Slytherin gang), and 
> is probably more like James after James started dating Lily.  And 
> Lily did smile when she saw Snape in the air, but just didn't like 
> that ANYONE should be treated like that, even if she disliked them.
> 
> Just my 2 knuts worth.
> Sarah

I think you're right, I've seen so many "Bad James post" that I 
began to wonder if I shall no write a post called in "defence of 
James Potter".
Indeed I was also shocked by the marauder treatment of Snape but to 
have conclusion like "James is like Draco" or worse seems to be 
quite fast. 
For one this only an event in seven years against a particular 
person (and  we know that James and co have problem with him). And 
the chain of event is not complete what happened before we don't 
know. 
Maybe we will learn that James was nice with a lot of people helping 
the weak  even at slytherin as long they are not named Snapes ;-). 
We have more things to learn about James before we can have a 
definite judgment about him 
As a related note I must said that we know nearly nothing about Lily 
so it's possible that some story about her will make us change our 
judgement about her. As long as we know nothing she is quite perfect 
but it's more an effet of ignorance and I don't buy the theory "all 
the good side of Harry come from Lily" I  think more thing than the 
physical aspect came from James. (and for one thing I don't think 
that compassion cames from nature; it's more learned  ( a nurture 
things) and it the harsh living condition of live with his uncle 
that learned Harry compassion(. 
And finally as Sarah said some treatment of Draco and company by the 
trio is near of the treatment of Snape by James .

So James is not a perfect hero but so is Harry we must wait before 
having the final word about him; and the number of fond memory by 
several people must show that if he wasn't perfect he was a quite 
good person.

Alexandre