OOP ranting

fauxwen flenser at hotmail.com
Tue Jun 24 07:39:07 UTC 2003


No: HPFGUIDX 62760

--- In HPforGrownups at yahoogroups.com, "Sarah Price" <sarah__p at h...> 
wrote:
> I'm not sure if people have made my points or asked my questions as 
> there are just too many messages comming in too quickly.
> 
> First, I want to ask about pensives.  Didn't DD say that what he 
> inserts into the pensive are his thoughts.  If the 'memories' that 
> Harry witnessed in the fourth book were inserted sortly after the 
> trials, then they would be pretty close to what actually happened.  
> However, SS was putting in the 'memories' at every meeting he had 
> with Harry.  I'm wondering if his memory has changed.(as many 
> memories do)


Me:
Here's what I think is happening: Dumbledore said he stores some of 
his memories in the pensieve to clear out his own mind. I don't 
remember there being any indication of *when* he put the memories in, 
though, and I don't think it would make a difference even if we knew. 
Pensieves don't seem to take into account the fluid nature of real-
life memories; they are recalled as though someone captured them on 
tape (it's unlikely that Snape could see what James was drawing on 
his examination paper, but Harry could walk over and see it when he 
was in Snape's pensieve-memory). When Snape agreed to teach Harry 
Occlumency, he knew there was a chance Harry would break into his 
mind. He did not want Harry to see one of his most embarrassing 
memories, so he borrowed a pensieve to store away the memory for 
safekeeping each time before they started the lessons. When the 
lesson was over, Snape could return the memory to his mind, untouched 
and unaltered by the pensieve.

> 
> Another thing is: maybe I'm just in denile, but I'm not quite sure 
> that Sirius is dead.  Maybe there is some way that he can be saved, 
> especially with Harry's new "equal" status, he can find a way to 
save 
> his godfather.


Me:
As much as I wish it were otherwise, I think Sirius is dead, dead, 
dead. If Lupin was convinced of it after witnessing what happened, so 
am I. 

 
<snip> 

> Wandless magic:  Seems to me that there are even more examples in 
> this book of the abundance of wandless magic.  Apparation, mind 
> reading.  Interested to see more of that.
> 

Me:
I'm glad you mentioned this! I had totally forgotten about it, since 
it happened way at the beginning of the book, but remember when Harry 
is groping in the dark alleyway for his wand when he and Dudley are 
being attacked by dementors? He mutters, "Lumos," *without actually 
holding his wand,* and is surprised when it lights up regardless. I 
wonder if we are going to see Harry doing wandless magic in the 
future ...

<snip>

> Decrees:  So, what happens to all these decrees that were passed by 
> DU?  

<snip>

Me:
I think all the Ministry decrees, banning Harry from Quidditch, etc., 
will be lifted immediately now that Dumbledore is once again in 
control of the school.
 
~fauxwen






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