OOP: EVEN DUMBLEDORE HAS MAGICAL LIMITS

[marephraim]

No: HPFGUIDX 64549

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> and secondly because Sirius was dead before he fell through the 
> curtain (similar to Cedric and Frank in GoF)
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> ME (Sue) Incorrect, by all indications he was alive: 1. spell 
color was red 
> not the green of Avadra Kedavra (sp?); 2.  plus he gave Harry a 
look 
> of " mingled fear and surprise...as he fell through the ancient 
> doorway" so he was alive when he crossed the "barrier" to the 
other 
> side.  

The second spell's colour is not indicated. ("The second jet of 
light hit him squarely on the chest. The laughter had not quite died 
from his face, but his eyhes widened in shock." Oop UK p. 710)

Is there canon to support that only Avada Kedavra can kill (not 
saying there must be, just wondering)?

Also, "Harry saw the look of mingled fear and surprise on his 
godfather's wasted, once-handsome face as he fell through the 
ancient doorway and disappeared behind the veil..." (Oop UK p. 711)

Unless I'm missing an earlier reference in the battle scene I am led 
to take the phrase "wasted, once-handsome face" to indicate that 
death had occurred. 

3.  Also, Remus never says Sirius is "dead", just "d---", it 
> is Harry who supplies the word dead.  Maybe Remus meant to 
> say "disembodied", "Doomed" or some other description of a person 
> crossing into the other realm.
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> Just my thoughts
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> Sue  : )
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> > M.E.

I don't want to press this issue as until JKR gives us greater 
detail I think both views (before the veil versus after the veil) 
could be inferred, but I'm sticking with the former. Harry's denial 
and interruption of Lupin is based solely on his lack of habeus 
corpus. 

It strikes, however, that speculation about disembodied or doomed 
carries with it a suppressed hope that Sirius might return -- 
something that JKR has told us will not happen.

In any event, whether before the veil or after the veil we can, I 
hope, all agree that after the veil Sirius was and remains dead.

M.E.

:-)