OOP: Evans / Snape and Co / Last Chapter
Koticzka
koticzka at wp.pl
Sun Jun 29 13:51:58 UTC 2003
No: HPFGUIDX 65663
EVANS:
In the beginning of OoP there is a student named Evans. I am just
wondering - did anyone notice?
SNAPE & Co.
This is an interesting discussion! - sorry for snipping so much:
Sarah wrote:
>I still think that one memory, and Snape's WORST one at that, isn't
>enough information to know the true nature of the rivalry. If this
>is his WORST memory, could this have been a normal occurrence? I
>think that if this is his worst memory, then this is the worst
>humiliation that he got. As bad as this scene was, I don't think we
>can take this as indicative of anyone's true nature, Snape's or
>MWPP's.
Jens answered:
>>I know the chapter says it is, but I would be really surprised if what
Harry saw was Snape's worst memory. You are, indeed, right that there is
much we don't know.<<
****Koticzka's comment:
Let us try to look at this in a different way. For a boy in his teens, an
incident like this must have been really awful. I can't imagine...! Let us
also remember that we are dealing with boys here. The humiliation shows how
weak and clumsy Snape is, and how easily he can be defeated. It insults his
abilities and knowledge, too. I believe it might have been the worst
memory, which impacted his future life (no question that it did, I
suppose....), especially since they were such severe rivals (compare below).
This was not the only memory put into the Pensieve, though.
Sarah:
>Personally, I think the Snape/Sirius near fight in OoP (the chapter
>Occlumency) is MUCH more indicative of Snape and James' rivalry
>during their time at Hogwarts. Snape and Sirius trade barely vieled
>insults, and nearly come to a wizarding fight. Snape pulled out his
>wand FIRST in this instance, after criticizing James in front of his
>best friend and his son; Sirius pulls it out later.
Jens's answered:
>>First off, Snape had intended to avoid this confrontation. He wanted to
talk to Harry alone, but Black wouldn't leave. Second, Black was first to
draw his wand. Black stood up and Snape, seeming to realize it was likely to
come to a fight "balled his fist in the pocket of his cloak over what Harry
was sure was the handle of his wand". A few
seconds later, "Sirius pushed his chair roughly aside and strode around the
table toward Snape, pulling out his wand as he went; Snape whipped out his
own".<<
***Koticzka's comment:
Or Snape knew Sirius so well that he was able to predict his reaction. Why
did the meeting take place in the kitchen? Why Harry was trying to force to
remember specific potion ingredients (I do not remember exactly the scene, but he must have been learning something for exams and quotes from the book about potions are mixed with Harry's thoughts, sorry I cannot make it more clear... I do not have the book here, I really
can hardly remember where exactly was it mentioned. Anyway, the boy had
fallen into his Voldemort nightmares then) Look carefully at the results of
taking the stuff - it makes wizards to be more hazardous and easier in taking risks! As it might have not be Snape, did Black's great
grandfather not say that a Slytherin's priorities when they are in danger
are their own life and well-being? I hope I am mistaken, anyway.
LAST CHAPTER - MISTAKE or can I not read...?
Umbridge was supposed to be in shock, not talking at all, but when she spoke
what I understood from the previous paragraph to be her first words, after
Ron had imitated the sound of hooves, no one seemed surprised at all. It
was pretty late (or rather early) when I read this part, so I might be
mistaken.
Koticzka
How can you hurt a man who has nothing?
Give him something broken.
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