OoP - GUILTY Dumbledore (was Dumbledore's true sorrow motives)

[jwcpgh]

No: HPFGUIDX 80221


> Nicholas:
> > I think Sirius would have helped Harry into the fight with Big V. 
> > Sirius' idea of happiness would have been to have Harry become a 
> > member of the OoP and Harry would have gone along with that. 
> 
> 
> Kneasy
> Sirius' idea of happiness would be for Harry to become as rash and 
> unthinking as himself or James. Make the big gesture Harry!
> 
> Laura:

Well, now, that's just not supported by canon.  The two of them are 
constantly telling each other to be careful, and I think they mean 
it.  When Sirius expressed disappointment with Harry early in OoP, it 
wasn't because Harry wouldn't take chances but because he wouldn't 
let Sirius take one.

> Nicholas;
> >  Sirius (correctly?)  realised that Harry was old and mature 
enough to know things sooner than DD; and had Sirius been allowed to 
fully answer Harry's questions, Harry would have had his eyes opened 
sooner. Harry is  Harry and he will go after Big V, *whatever he 
knows*, until one of them dies.
> >
> 
>  Kneasy:
> DD doesn't want Harry to have his eyes open until DD is ready and he
> thinks Harry is ready. Does Harry even know enough to ask the 
*right* 
> questions as opposed to the ones that occur to  him at the moment?
> How about "How are we going to win?" "What's my function?" "When 
> in your judgement, will I be ready?" "Do I have the necessary skills
> for what I must do?"

Laura:

When Harry asks DD questions that have to do with the overall 
picture, DD shuts him down (starting in SS/PS, when he could very 
well have begun to tell him *something*).  So expecting Harry to be 
able to think strategically about a situation he doesn't understand 
is not very realistic, imo.

> Kneasy:
> There is a general acceptance that Sirius knows Harry well. He 
doesn't. Up to the scenes in the Grimmaud Place house, Sirius has 
spent less than 3 hours with Harry and none of it face to face with 
no-one else present. They  are sympathetic strangers full of  
misconceptions. Inside Grimmaud little advance on this is made: a big 
crowd, lots of bickering. Harry learns a bit about the Black family, 
nothing else. They are still strangers.

Laura:

Don't you think, though (well, maybe *you* don't, cynic that you are 
<g>)that it's possible to have an intuitive understanding of someone 
soon after you've met them, and the details get filled in later?  
I've certainly had that experience.  Also, remember that Sirius has 
been keeping track of Harry since he got out of Azkaban, and after 
PoA, he communicates with DD, so there's some information sharing 
there as well.  And Sirius didn't need to know Harry in intimate 
detail to form accurate surmises as to what Harry would do and how he 
would react in a given situation-and he tends to be right.  He knows 
what it's like to be an impulsive, emotional teenager.  I don't 
perceive a lot of misconceptions; I see instead a lack of knowledge 
that comes from a lack of time spent together.  That would have been 
remedied had Sirius lived.  But I don't think Harry and Sirius were 
bad for each other.  The harm that came to them in OoP I lay directly 
at the feet of DD-I'm with you there, Kneasy!
> 
Which brings me to a question-why didn't DD just get rid of the globe 
the way he got rid of the stone when it got to be a liability?   DD 
knew that (1) LV was after it, (2) what it said and (3) whether or 
not the prophecy was destroyed, LV would still be going after Harry 
and Harry would still have to deal with him sooner or later.  The 
globe could only cause trouble-as it did.  DD could have found a way 
to get Harry into the DoM and destroyed it.  Why didn't he?