Reaction to MAGIC DISHWASHER

[Melody]

No: HPFGUIDX 81104

Remnant wrote:
>OK, you're still MD, fine. :) I just didn't know whether you thought 
>(as Tom suggested) that the heart of MD was in its interpretation of 
>very specific events or the assumption that DD was plotting and 
>planning out of view until OOP. Obviously the latter, which was
>always the most intriguing aspect to me, as well. And, again, kudos
>on that being correct!

I think you are being a bit unfair here.  We have not discounted that
MD has to be thoroughly looked over and examined with the new canon
given (favorable and unfavorable canon with regards to MD...prophecy
with long thoughts as to what MD!Dumbledore thinks it means and what
*we* think it means...).  We are just not doing it right now.  Mostly
because we three see a good strong MD still running.  No rush.  :D

But do not be anxious.  We will.  We dearly love our little
dishwasher.  We will explore the canon in OoP with the good old
fashion MD from the previous books.  It is just...we kind of wanted to
have a life...you know.  In the real world.  :) 

But time has past, and the ooo's and ah's and glow of the first read
is passing, and now we can get past the initial "oh my, she killed
Sirius."  So for the first official MD post, Pip wanted to post her
new turn on MD.  And frankly, it is not so simple and obvious as you
said.  And of course, it can be mixed and matched with other theories.

See, the original MD (formed after GoF) was shaped around bring a
Vapour!mort to a Body!mort.  That happened.  Now Pip is exploring
*why* Dumbledore wanted that in the first place.  Meaning: what does
he want a Body!mort for.

And she says it is not just to kill the guy.  He flat out tells Voldie
that.  Now I know we have proof he lies now, but if Dumbledore wanted
to kill him, I think he would have.  He had a clear shot.  

But if Dumbledore had fired a spell to kill Voldemort that day, what
would have happened?  

Nothing.

The MoM could have hid the body and lied to the public to save face. 
Umbridge would still run Hogwarts then.  The DE's would be leaderless,
but Bellatrix is quite strong herself.  She could rise.  Or Lucius. 
The environment is still there.  

You cannot blame Dumbledore for wanting to clean this out and do it
well.  It is the wiser decision.  Racism will, of course, *never* be
wiped out completely.  As long as there is fear there will be the
racism "defense".  It is deep within human nature, but what can be
stopped is the ease at which this extreme of human nature is allowed
to nurture.  

Two strong dark wizards in 50 years.  The environment is rather
nurturing, in my opinion.

That is what I see Dumbledore is doing, and that is not exactly
spelled out in OoP.  It is after Pip shows us...::big grin::  

It is one thing to kill a "king".  It is a whole other thing to run
the kingdom afterwards.  Dumbledore is working to have a kingdom,
after the "Lord Voldemort" is gone, that does not need a "Lord
Protector".  If he wanted to rule the Magic World, where he would have
the power to destroy Voldie, he could have had it.  But he refused. 
And Pip is saying for a higher degree of power really.  The power, and
available time, to change the world without the legal red tape.

But back to my other idea.  Do not despair.  MDDT will get around to
address the Shrieking Shack (though a lack of Peter Pettigrew in OoP
makes it kind of hard) and the Graveyard interpretation MD makes.  But
each books has added bits to the basic MD.  I added a philosopher
stone variation actually, that does not have to work with MD (i.e. it
runs without it) but does nicely run with in, in my opinion.  

Yes, Pip's new addition can work with other theories.  I am sure she
does not mind others mixing and matching with it, but as far as we are
concerned with MDDT, it works *very* well with MD.  It just is not
exclusive in its fitting.  

And since it is her theory, I think she can say what is a part of the
dishwasher and what is additives.


Melody
on her own as a third of MDDT