Moody!Crouch and defence against Imperius

[potioncat]

No: HPFGUIDX 95509


>  
> Potioncat responded:
> The real problem is, was this DE telling a lie or was he using the 
> truth?  He was telling the truth when he said he hated a DE who 
> walked free, but it didn't mean what we thought it did.
> 
> Carol responds:
> Yes, that was one creative bit of truth-twisting. But I don't see 
how
> "Dumbledore told me to do it" could be the same sort of statement.
> Either it's true (and I'm all wrong about Dumbledore), or it was a
> straight-out lie that he knew the students wouldn't question. I'm
> pretty sure that he had his own reasons for demonstrating illegal
> curses and actually using them on the students, primarily to teach
> Harry, and only Harry, to resist the Imperius Curse to make sure 
that
> he won the tournament. The chance to manipulate innocent people as 
he
> himself had been manipulated may have been a bonus to his sick 
psyche.
> 
> I don't know for a fact that Crouch!Moody was lying, but I don't 
think
> we should accept his word as undeniable fact given who he was and 
what
> he was doing. We should at least consider the possiblilty that he 
was
> acting on his own and lying about Dumbledore's permission.
> 
> Do you really think that DD would have told the real Moody, who
> apparently opposed the use of Unforgiveables even on DEs, to Imperio
> the students? I think it's completely out of character. But then, I
> don't buy the DD as ruthless puppetmaster theory.
> 
Potioncat:
I'm not sure if my post was clear, but I was saying we don't know if 
he was telling the truth or telling a lie.  

But I think you've brought up some good points (not only here, but in 
the Snape/unforgivables and DD-using-AK threads) Would DD and Moody 
(real Moody) agree to demonstrate Unforgivables to the 4th years?  DD 
who resists using some power because of his personal standards and 
Moody who avoided using certain curses even in war.

But the problem with Crouch!Moody not having permission, is: Didn't 
DD hear about this at some point?  He knows so much that goes on at 
Hogwarts.  With all the students so excited about DADA classes, and 
talking about it, something must have gotten back to DD.

There are a bunch of thoughts in my head, too many.  I'll go work 
with my pensieve awhile and come back later with my thoughts gathered.

Potioncat