DD and "the end justifies the means." Not saying evil puppet master!

[vmonte]

No: HPFGUIDX 95531

I had to delete my earlier post because there were so many errors.

I (vmonte) wrote in post #95160:
If Moody was using an unforgivable curse in the school I'm pretty
sure that DD knew what was going on. I'm also sure that there must be
some kind of alarm system that tells the headmaster when curses are
used in school. I know that Moody was not the real Moody when he was
teaching at Hogwarts, but don't you think that he ended up teaching
the children something that was to their benefit? ...It seems to
me that fake Moody would not have gone out of his way to teach the
children how to defend themselves unless it was a direct order from
DD.

So, finally, DD was no problem working with criminals or breaking the
law, as long as "the end justifies the means."


vmonte responds to "the end justifies the means" quote:

I was not trying to make DD look as though he is an evil puppet
master. I do believe that DD knows a lot more information than he
should know. I do not know if he is a seer, a time-traveler, is Ron
(I happen to believe this), or was given information through some
other means. I think he is trying to subtly manipulate events, but
not because he has some narcissistic regard for other human beings;
but because he has pre-knowledge of how events are/were going to
unfold. I think he is trying to manipulate events to obtain a
better outcome than expected.

I think he was able to change events several times, for the better. 
He is obviously happy when he hears that Harry's blood is now in
Voldemort. I think that this is something different than what he
previously thought was going to happen.

I think that he knew in advance that Sirius was going to die. And I
think he tried to stop this from happening.

1. He sends Harry and Hermione back in time to save Sirius. (I don't
   care what anyone says about people not being able to change history
   according to the WW. Why send someone back in time unless you want
   to change history?
2. DD later tries to keep Sirius safe by forcing him to stay at
   Order headquarters.

Sirius died not because it was part of DD's plan, but because
Sirius's destiny was to die. DD ended up only postponing his death
for a few years.

I also think that DD tried to change events during GoF.

1. He changed the age requirements so that none of the main 
characters would be able to enter the tournament -- but because he 
changed the way things should have played out, fake Moody's actions 
also changed. 

For example: Let's say that I know that I'm going to lose a Chess
game because I have foreknowledge that my opponent will make certain
moves. I decide to change my strategy in order to stop my opponent
from beating me. Because I have now changed my strategy my opponent
also has to come up with a new strategy in order to get the outcome
that he wants. The opponents "new strategy" is now unknown to me -- I
can still lose. Everything works under "cause and effect."

I also think that Cedric was not meant to die. I think that DD's
actions during GoF caused Cedric to die -- and I think this was an
unfortunate and unexpected effect resulting from DD's change in
strategy.

One other point I want to make is that DD never really manipulates 
the children into doing anything. If anything, he lets them do too 
much. 

So when I say "the end justifies the means," I mean that DD has no
problem when it comes to manipulating "bad guys" like fake Moody. 

vmonte