Moody!Crouch and defence against Imperius

[justcarol67]

No: HPFGUIDX 95781

Sherry wrote:
<snip> A question ... where does it say that Moody doesn't use or
doesn't believe in using the unforgivable curses/  can you tell me a
chapter?
> 
Cindy wrote:
It doesn't say that...  All it says is that Moody never killed *if he
could help it*.  Sirius says "I'll say this for Moody, though, he
never killed if he could help it.  Always brought people in alive
where pssible.  He was tough, but he never descended to the level of
the Death Eaters."  (GOF, pg 532, US)

I read this to mean that he didn't *like* using an unforgiveable
curse, but did use them when necessary.

Carol:
I see it differently. He has nothing but contempt for Karkaroff, who
apparently helped Dolohov Crucio a number of people and "he never
killed if he could help it." There is no need for a skilled auror to
torture or Imperio the people he's bringing in and there are probably
methods of killing that aren't Unforgiveable.

I read "he never descended to the level of the Death Eaters" to mean
exactly that: Unlike Barty Crouch, he never used the Unforgiveable
Curses. Moody may have lost an eye, a leg, and part of his nose, but
he's kept his integrity. Barty Sr., in contrast, stooped to the level
of the DEs by using the Unforgiveables and lost his integrity, his
influence, his son, his mind, and his life--maddened by the same curse
he placed on his son; murdered, in a terrible piece of poetic justice,
by the son he Imperio'd. Moody may be paranoid, but he is not insane.
In tragic terms, Barty FELL. Moody has *not* fallen because, unlike
Crouch, he has not stooped to using evil to fight evil. And
Dumbledore, we are told, is too "noble" to use evil means to fight
Voldemort. In fact, that very nobility seems to be the reason
Voldemort fears him.

For those reasons, I don't believe that Dumbledore would have
authorized the teaching of the Unforgiveable Curses or that the real
Moody would have demonstrated them, even on spiders, any more than he
would have turned Draco into a ferret. Nor, IMO, would he have
Imperio'd the students even as a lesson in what the enemy could do to
them. I'm certain that Crouch!Moody was lying when he said that
Dumbledore had authorized him to do so. (If DD found out about the
lessons, they were probably one of the pieces of evidence that came
together in his mind when Crouch!Moody whisked Harry away against
orders after the Tri-Wizard Tournament--solid evidence, if not
outright proof, that the Imposter was a DE.)

I know this is just my opinion, but it's the only way I can reconcile
the use of Unforgiveable spells with a "noble" Dumbledore who does not
teach the Dark Arts or use evil to fight evil.

Barty Sr.'s fall demonstrates with brutal clarity that the end does
not justify the means. And that's a lesson Harry must learn if he is
to defeat Voldemort. To fail to learn it is to fall into madness or
succumb to evil.

Carol

Carol