Snape joining Hogwarts

[potioncat]

No: HPFGUIDX 96457

 
> --- In HPforGrownups at yahoogroups.com, "Hitesh" <hiteshl at v...> wrote:
> > In PoA (Page 261,Chapter 18, Bloomsbury Paperback) Lupin mentions
> > Snape. Sirius interrupts him and says 
> > 
> > <Quote>
> > 
> > 'Snape?'..."What's Snape got to do with it?'
> > 'He's here, Sirius,' said Lupin heavily. 'He's teaching here as 
> well.'
> > 
> > <End quote>
> > 
> > Doesn't this exchange imply that Sirius did not know that Snape 
had
> > ever become a Hogwarts teacher? Sirius went to Azkaban in early
> > November 1981. So Snape would have become a Hogwarts professor 
only
> > after Voldemort's downfall. I wonder why there is some controversy
> > about whether Snape joined Hogwarts before or after the fall of 
> Voldemort.
> >
> 
> 
> James:
> snip> 
> As to Snape joining the staff, If he joined before riddle's 
downfall 
> then I'd see it as that Snape changed side before Riddle was 
> defeated. If however he joined after Riddles defeat it brigs into 
> question, did Snape change sides or did he make a deal with 
> Dumbledore when he was stuck in azkban. 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> SB4E:
> 
> 
> According to the scene where Harry entered DD's pensieve, DD told 
Karkaroff that Snape had changed sides before the Dark Lord's fall at 
great risk to himself...
> 
> Then again in OOTP, when Umbridge asks Snape how long he had taught 
at Hogwarts, Severus answered "14 years"...so Harry was 15 in this 
book and 15 minus 14 equals 1...so Severus started the same year 
Harry turned 1 which would have been Sept. 1 before the Potters were 
attacked on Oct. 31....
> 
> Both of these references clearly show that Severus Snape was a 
Hogwarts teacher prior to Voldy's fall from power.
x


Potioncat:
Well, we may be discussing an issue that is totally unimportant.  But 
it seems to be one that raises curiosity. You can come up with two 
different valid scenes based on canon. And without JKR around to 
respond, we just don't know which is correct.


We do not know when DD vouched for Snape, nor do we know when 
Karakoff's hearing was. What DD says is that Snape returned to our 
side before LV's fall. He doesn't say "he became a teacher before 
LV's fall."

Possibilty one: Snape works at his job by day, serves LV at 
night and is telling all to DD.  He helps to bring LV down.  However 
he and DD know LV will return so Snape takes the open teaching 
position which was vacated when someone was killed in the spree 
following LV's fall. But if he was hired in November, 14 years is 
still correct.  It would be in Snape's nature to be vague to 
Umbridge. Also, he can go to LV post graveyard and say he had been 
hoping LV would return and took the opportunity to teach at Hogwarts 
where he could keep an eye on LV's enemy.  



Possibility two: Snape works at his job by day, serves LV by 
night and goes to DD. It's decided that Snape should suggest to LV 
that he could take a teaching job at Hogwarts as a way of getting 
info for LV, but he is really serving DD.  He is hired at beginning 
of term.  14 years is correct. LV is not surprised to see Snape there 
and does not blow Snape's cover while hiding in turban.  However, not 
a trusting soul, he doesn't contact Snape either. 


As for Serius, either way still works.  In the first case, Sirius 
would have been in Azkaban when Snape was hired.  In the second, he 
simply had no reason to know.  Snape wasn't in the order nor was he 
known to be a DE at that time.

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