Shared thoughts

fanofminerva drjuliehoward at yahoo.com
Tue Aug 3 20:53:29 UTC 2004


No: HPFGUIDX 108710

--- In HPforGrownups at yahoogroups.com, Barry Arrowsmith 
<arrowsmithbt at b...> wrote:
> To begin at the beginning.....
> 
> "Mr and Mrs Dursley, of number four, Privet Drive..."
> 
><Snip> 
> I apologise for the length of this piece, it sort of grew on me. 
It was 
> supposed to be a shortish overview of my take on possession, but I 
got  
> caught up by the natural progression into the continuity of themes 
> concept.
> 
> A few interesting links.
> The first two are posts from Spring '03, a few weeks before I 
joined. 
> Not that they would have made me stop and think even if I'd seen 
them; 
> I was much too brash, too fascinated by the minutiae of HP to 
consider 
> original  causes - and anyway the new book was due out soon.
> 
> The first is the origin of the 'Adopted!Harry' thread by ashandhp
> 
> http://groups.yahoo.com/group/HPforGrownups/message/57649
> 
> The second is an offshoot of that - jodel_from_aol and 
his 'Changeling' 
> post
> 
> http://groups.yahoo.com/group/HPforGrownups/message/57993
> 
> The third, mentioned last week by Bex and  thrust  under my nose 
by 
> Carolyn is jodel_from_aol's much expanded rewrite of 'Changeling' 
on 
> redhen
> 
> 
> http://www.redhen-publications.com/Changeling.html
> 
> 
> 
> All 3 are well worth reading
> 
> Kneasy
> 
> 
> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

I have posted on some of these ideas previously, particularly the 
Slytherin/Grindelwalde/Riddle connection, but Kneasy's was all-in-
one rather succinct post.  (I don't have the attention span to put 
it all in one.)

When I posted, several people jumped on the possession aspect and 
disagreed with my statement that this would make TR/LV a more 
complex character.  I see the complexity in the person versus 
persona idea.  Being a shrink, I am more interested in process than 
content.  I  see the books thus far as content, with the process 
tying everything together being before the books (as stated by 
Kneasy).   People who actually have read my posts know that I have a 
gnawing idea about Grindelwalde.  IMO, his defeat by DD is much more 
than just a mere mention on a chocolate frog card.

With this said, I still have the question of to whom is the prophecy 
referring?  The persons of Tom Riddle and Harry Potter or the 
personas of Lord Voldemort and The Boy Who Lived.  I don't have my 
books at work, so I cannot quote the prophecy, so please cut me a 
little canon slack.  The one cannot survive while the other lives 
could be referring to the person and persona.  Harry Potter cannot 
survive while he still has to be The Boy Who Lived.  It may not be 
referring to LV vs HP.  

My pet hypothesis (not theory because it can be disproven by later 
books) is that the same force that compelled Sal, Grindelwalde, and 
LV will be offered to Harry.  He will have the choice (real 
Frodoish, I know).  If he chooses not to use this force, he has 
defeated it.  LV would already have been defeated because Harry 
would be considered the new *host* thus not needing the old host. 
What does this mean for Tom?  Death or redemption (or both)?

Julie

 





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