To Where To When (TimeTurning that may make sense)

[Josh Warren]

No: HPFGUIDX 108772

Eek, not sure how to snip this! Please bear with if thought to be too 
long...

--- In HPforGrownups at yahoogroups.com, "M.Clifford" <Aisbelmon at h...> 
wrote:
> > Josh: 
> > I unfortunately have to discount the idea of TimeTurning!DD
> (Re: OOtP DOM) If DD had ready access to timetravel, he would not 
> have delayed that much in getting to what appeared to be an 
> impending faceoff between Harry and LV.
> > 
> Valky replies:
> It's interesting that you reply this way. And sadly I beg to differ.
> I am certain that DD *does* have ready access to timetravel among 
> his many possessions, and uses it, but he cannot change what is 
> past. Harry was *at* the MOM and that was past and certainly 
> couldn't be changed. 
> 
> If Dumbledore stopped to timeturn between talking with Kreacher and 
> going to the MoM, then just going to the MOM a few minutes earlier 
> would be a fools errand, because at this point he really doesn't 
> know precisely what is going on there. DD would put more thought 
> than that into a timeturned event, I'm sure. 
> 
> To wit, DD arrived in the exact moment required to save Harry, he 
> lost Sirius but he saved Harry. The tears are certainly for Harry's 
> pain but I don't think DD would have factored whats going to happen 
> to Sirius, if he timeturned he would have focussed all his efforts 
> on whats going to happen to Harry. And given that equation, the 
> notion that DD might use a timeturner to undo his delay in getting 
> to the MOM cannot be discounted.

I've always been a big fan of time travel depicted as unable to 
change the past. I wish I'd brought home books 1-3 for reference so I 
could see what details were given for misusage of turners, so I could 
get a better grasp of JKR's theories.

We are a little loose in the timescale of the events of that day, so 
timing gets tricky. However, let's assume that Dumbledore can 
timeturn at will. A whole bunch of possibilities turn up that 
wouldn't add up. CoS comes to mind. Knowing an attack had happened, 
why could DD have timeturned, set up some sort of monitoring system 
(spell, mirror like Sirius', ghost with his eyes closed) so as to 
learn any information possible? He couldn't change the past, but he 
could have informed himself for the future.  Without the ability to 
change the past, I don't see the purpose of DD turning without making 
more appropriate usage of it.

So, back to the MoM, barring that Dumbledore frequently enough visits 
himself so as to occasionally know what will happen, he would have 
been going in blind either in the present or earlier... as long as he 
didn't interfere with himself pre-turn. He would make use of such an 
opportunity not to prevent any known outcome (knowing it fixes it) 
but to minimize danger to the students and guarantee the privacy of 
the prophesy. I would content that TT!DD would have arrived at the 
MoM seconds behind the sextet, or even have been waiting for them at 
the telephone booth.



For Voldy!Quirrel, it would depend on the nature of the tabs... 
though, now that I think of it, the Albania info had to have come 
from a different source, as it does give location. Wormtail managed 
to find LV, too, after all.
 
> reminds us *assume nothing!*

LOL, I have to agree, but only to a point. :) While I do expect JKR 
to be sneaky and secretive, all/most secrets will be revealed at the 
end, and I'm sure she hopes her now-10 year old child will be able to 
understand it when she's done. If this were meant for only adults to 
comprehend, Percy would have been caught doing a bit more than 
snogging by Ginny. :)

Josh