To Where To When (TimeTurning that may make sense)

M.Clifford Aisbelmon at hotmail.com
Wed Aug 4 08:03:55 UTC 2004


No: HPFGUIDX 108779

Josh:
> > > I unfortunately have to discount the idea of TimeTurning!DD
Valky:
> > It's interesting that you reply this way. 
> > I am certain that DD *does* have ready access to timetravel 
among his many possessions, and uses it, but he cannot change what 
is past. 
> 
Josh:
> I've always been a big fan of time travel depicted as unable to 
> change the past. <snippped> However, let's assume that Dumbledore 
can timeturn at will. A whole bunch of possibilities turn up that 
> wouldn't add up. CoS comes to mind. Knowing an attack had 
happened, why could DD have timeturned, set up some sort of 
monitoring system (spell, mirror like Sirius', ghost with his eyes 
closed) so as to learn any information possible? He couldn't change 
the past, but he could have informed himself for the future.  

Valky Now:
This is a *really* good point Josh. I have set myself up to answer 
for every situation that DD could have Timeturned in haven't I, well 
I suppose if I want to float the raft......... ;D

Firstly, if I answer this question well, there's about a couple of 
dozen more the same that I'll need to answer in turn following it. 
Thus I should start by saying that, if DD Timeturns, he uses it 
sparingly and with a great deal of discernment. I am sure he 
wouldn't TT himself for any old thing, its a convoluted and 
mysterious art. I am sure anyone, with half a mind, could see it 
would get you *into* more trouble than it would get you out of 
unless you resisted the temptation to do it over and over.

Having said that, there is still, yet another possibilty that DD did 
use time to uncover the mystery in COS. Now if he was timeturning in 
COS, I agree that he would have done it exactly as you proposed, by 
going back to the place where an attack happened and observing. 
But I think he would probably be inclined to do it *only once*.
There are great risks involved especially in a school full of 
inexperienced children who, would inevitably be entangled in any 
mess he might accidentally make, if it got out of hand, which we all 
agree timetravel quickly can even when we just *think* about it.

Now, if I am correct in this premise then there is evidence that he 
*did* timeturn once and only once to get a little extra info on the 
COS incedent. He comments twice that he knew who was setting the 
Basilisk on the children and in both instances he admits he doesn't 
know how.

In 'the Rogue Bludger' he says: The Question is not who. The 
Question is how...
Now of course we *can* take this exclusively to mean that he knows 
it is Tom, but.......
In Dobby's Reward after Harry had 'so far avoided mentioning Ginny 
or the Diary' DD says: What interests me most is How Lord Voldemort 
managed to enchant Ginny.

Nobody *told him* that Ginny was doing Toms dirty work he *knew* 
already.........

Thanks Josh.
Now awaiting the next barrage of DD doesn't Timeturn.

Oh and By the way......

Josh:
I would content that TT!DD would have arrived at the MoM seconds 
behind the sextet, or even have been waiting for them at 
> the telephone booth.
> 
> 

Valky:
The problem is if it *didn't* happen in the correct timeline it 
*won't* happpen if you timeturn back to that spot.
DD probably didn't, because who really knew? *when* they arrived. 
Snape waited an undetermined amount of time for them to return from 
the forest and there was no telling how they got to London from DD's 
POV at the time. I am thinking it may have taken several 
unsuccessful time turns to arrive at the correct moment you speak of 
which would be far too messy. I suspect DD would rather have *used* 
his *sources* to determine when *LV* would arrive at the DOM and 
would have set any timeturning to that moment.
 
Best to You






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