To Where To When (TimeTurning that may make sense)

[Josh Warren]

No: HPFGUIDX 108938

--- In HPforGrownups at yahoogroups.com, "M.Clifford" <Aisbelmon at h...> 
wrote:
> Valky:
> I agree with that entirely. And admittedly I only speculate that it 
> could mean also that DD had seen Ginny with the Basilisk but didn't 
> know how she was under Tom's control. Although, at face value you 
> are right and that is all, the theory that DD had already known 
> about Ginny at this time makes the plot sequence more interesting.
> I recall you don't have your books so I should do you the favour of 
> the plot rundown from a to b there.

> a.1: The second attack; Curiously, I have investigated this one 
> before quite recently, Dumbledore is the one who discovers Colin 
> Creevey petrified. Colin is on his way up from the Great Hall to the 
> third floor and DD is on his way down the staircases to the Kitchens 
> from his office. MacGonagall comments that it was fortunate that DD 
> was on his way for a Hot Chocolate refill then, or the attack may 
> have been worse.

Ahh, but I still have my sources:
["Another attack," said Dumbledore. "Minerva found him on the 
stairs."] and ["But I shudder to think ... If Albus hadn't been on 
the way downstairs for hot chocolate - who knows what might have -"] 
and ["You don't think he managed to get a picture of his attacker?" 
said Professor McGonagall eagerly. Dumbledore didn't answer. He 
opened the back of the camera.]

Minerva was first on the scene, and I'd say just worried about her 
own ability to survive this monster... what is her blood status I 
wonder? If Dumbledore had known anything, he wouldn't have needed the 
camera. Screw the object causing the possession, an unpossessed Ginny 
would have those memories intact (DD would know this having studies 
the Dark Arts, but being too noble to use them (according to MM in 
PS/SS)).

> Josh;  
> > However, knowing the lethal nature of the Basilisk's eyes (if he'd 
> > TTed for info, he'd have known it was a Basilisk first and 
> foremost), then I feel he would have given more specific 
> preventative advice, such as using mirrors around corners ala Hermy 
> and Penelope. Not only does he care about the students' safety, but 
> a death would have closed the school much sooner.
> >
> 
> Valky:
> You are of course absolutely right about that. The plan for Hermione 
> was very simple and well executed, though. Of course if one was to 
> go with my theory that DD does and will TT as part of his regular 
> life it begs the question 'Is he already up to his proverbial neck 
> in advanced time? '. 
> The problems come when you need to crossover time turns on the same 
> parrallel, for instance if you needed to be somewhere at a non 
> specified moment within an timeframe of an hour you might timeturn 
> *60 x 60* times before you found the specific moment. There is no 
> real way to calculate what effect you have each failed attempt, and 
> each failed attempt has an exponential degree of effect on the 
> original timeline accordingly multiplied by the unsuccessful 
> attempts coming before and after it.
> 
> Basically saying that a wise person such as Dumbledore simply would 
> not TT to anywhere with a plan involving guesswork especially not in 
> a school full of children. Hermiones timetable plan didn't involve 
> any guess work and so was safe enough, I suppose.


Umm, but DD doesn't need a Cloak to become invisible. Surely nothing 
was a complicated and full of danger as the PoA time trip for Harry 
and Hermione? Dementors all around, a werewolf going wild, and a D.E. 
running loose... and that's just the last 5 minutes! And yet, DD sent 
them back for a single 3 hr period... no worries, just follow your 
footsteps (now that's a clue that he has turned on occasion) and you 
must not be seen! and he shuts the door. DD wouldn't need to make 
multiple jumps, he'd just need to disillusion himself, or better if 
he knows how, and go back too far on purpose. He if knows the 
where... nothing else matters.  If he'd guessed it was a Basilisk 
(G&F at least suspected it was a fanged something or 'nother while 
needling Percy), then all he had to do was go to the right spot, and 
close his eyes... then follow. Perhaps recruit Fawkes to help (he 
seemed immune)?

Or better yet... go bring in some fresh roosters!

Josh

...who still thinks that DD isn't turning in the modern day :)