Case for Marauders (was Re: Marauders, Voldemort and the Map)

[M.Clifford]

No: HPFGUIDX 109940

--- In HPforGrownups at yahoogroups.com, "romulusmmcdougal" 
<romulus at h...> wrote:
> --- In HPforGrownups at yahoogroups.com, "M.Clifford" 
<Aisbelmon at h...> 
> wrote:
> > Valky:
> > Watch out for the quiet ones, eh? ..... 
> > Well, I wonder how you explain Remus in almost the same breath 
> > having said how terrified he was that his friends would *desert*
> him when they discovered he was a WereWolf. 
> 
> RMM:
> If you are referring to the Marauders, there is no explanation
> needed; 

Valky:
I am, well, actually *Lupin* is referring to the Marauders in this 
statement. How is no explanation required? This statement refers 
directly to the Marauders becoming animagii and you will find Lupin 
says it in POA.



> > Valky:
> > You are good at timelines so rationalise how Lord Voldemort could
> be a teacher at Hogwarts for me.... please... ;P 
> > [sinister smirk appearing on the Fox's face]
> > While still of course allowing for the DE James to have happened 
> > during 6th year.....
> 
> RMM:
> Right.  James probably got wrapped up with Voldemort in his 6th 
year.
> 
> Valky:
>  and allowing Harry's birth to occur at the 
> > correct time...
> 
> RMM:
> Not quite following you here, but Harry would be born about 4 
years later.
> 
> Valky:
>  and also keeping a distinct and recognisable ten 
> > year war in tact..... Good Luck...
> 
> RMM:
> Distinct and recognisable ten year war? Don't think so.
> Voldemort had his downfall in 1981.  According to Hagrid in 1991, 
> Voldemort showed up about twenty years ago.  According to Sirius 
> Black, Voldemort was very popular with the Purebloods at first.
> So we have Voldemort showing up 1970-1971.
> Gaining in popularity: 1971-1978 (Remember Sirius saying something 
> about Voldemort going into hiding 15 years ago? See PoA)
> War: 1978-1981.  That is a 3 year hot war.  not a 10 year war.
> 
> > 

Valky:
Big Flaw I am afraid RMM. How then do you explain DD's statement to 
MacGonagall about having precious little to celebrate for 11 years?
Ch 1 SS/PS 

>> RMM:
> And even with all that said, "hating the Dark Arts" cannot be 
equated with, nor can it necessarily exclude the fact that James 
performed Dark Arts.  You are speculating, and so am I.
>

Valky:
And the finality of that statement is Nothing Will preclude that 
James would practise Dark Arts short of it being entirely absent 
from his total and comprehensive history laid out before us.
At the very least canon that he hated it doesnt demand so much 
history to be given to truth that he wouldn't perform it conciously 
and wilfully. Much like you wouldn't wilfully eat oranges if you 
Hated them.




 

> RMM:
> All one can say about James' statement to Lily is that he is not 
an extremist Purebloodite.  He may go along with some of the 
Pureblood ideas, but he certainly has no time for calling others 
names or making them persona non grata.
> It says nothing of any disdain for Purebloodism in general.
> Please find that other reference for me re: James and pureblood.  
It will certainly aid in getting to the bottom of this.
> 

Valky:
I dont think that the emphasis on NEVER says *nothing* of any 
disdain. It certainly implies that if disdain exists it is certainly 
toward purebloodism as opposed to insulting the girl of his dreams 
or, as you say, wasting time expressing such feelings.

I would say its canon 5th year James to *not* consider disdaining 
what he hates to be a waste of time. He takes full pleasure in 
expressing his feelings of disgust toward Snape, he wastes his time 
there, frivolously and gleefully. 

Suffice to say that James *has* time for name-calling and he would 
NEVER use it to express purebloodism. 
Its a pretty strong argument.

Best to You