Who stuns Sirius -- ESE!Lupin?

[Brenda M.]

No: HPFGUIDX 111067

>>> Entropy wrote:
> I've believed for quite some time that Sirius is not dead (JKR's 
> tears to the contrary notwithstanding).  In fact, I believe that
> DD was looking for a way to get rid of Sirius for a while, and
> faking Sirius' death turned out to be a viable option. <<<

Brenda now:

As much as I would LOVE to believe this, I'm afraid I can't. To me, 
Jo's comment on how death is final pretty much puts a stamp to 
Sirius' death, that he is in fact dead. *hiccup*

And we much respect the author's opinion, right?


>>> CDR wrote:
> Like you, I'm convinced Bellatrix did not kill Sirius. Unlike
> you, I do think he is dead, and I think he may have been killed by 
a member of the Order. <<<

Bren now:

I know you're not the only one thinking that Bella wasn't the real 
culprit behind Sirius' death.

I very much agree with the following arguments you presented. 
Dzeytoun put it as "the panicked, self-defensive babbling of a
half-crazed known murderess" but I disagree. If Bella indeed killed 
Sirius then she would have been more proud, more calm in defending 
herself.

>>> CDR continues:
> I feel pretty sure it wasn't Harry. Although all you ESE!Lupin 
> theorists might wanna grab this one as further proof for your 
> arguments, why would Lupin have been spending all that time 
> with Sirius at GP, alone, tons of chances to do him in in some 
> logical way, and then suddenly act now. Nope, not Lupin. <<<

Bren:

I personally believe it has ESE!Lupin written all over it. I always 
found it curious how Lupin held Harry back from entering the veil 
himself. I mean where was Lupin all along? He must have been near 
Sirius when it happened. Dumbledore had arrived and most of DEs 
started crumbling. The description in OoP is, paraphrased: "It seems 
that Bellatrix and Sirius were the only pair unaware of this new 
arrival." -- the odd must have shifted towards the Order. So why 
wasn't Lupin helping Sirius with battling Bellatrix? It seems like 
the logical thing to do for a loving Maurader friend.

Unless, of course, Lupin was occupied with... something else. Why did 
Sirius' eyes widen with shock as he died? Was it that surprising to 
him that his capable evil top-lieutenant-of-Voldemort causin took him 
down? No, I believe he had just found out the shocking truth at that 
moment.

Yes, he could have eliminated Sirius before, but killing in the 
middle of battle is the safer option -- one can easily make it look 
like an accident.

Speaking of which, how is the 10+ page update-report coming along, 
Pippin? You know we're all anxious to hear it ;)


> I think it was Dumbledore. I think the big realization that DD 
> comes to at the end of OotP has huge implications for how he is 
> going to deal with Harry in the future. [snip]
> He also realizes that Sirius is a big liability to the security of 
the Order. He takes too many risks. More importantly, LV now knows 
> that he has a huge weapon against Harry, the person he cares 
> about as "father and brother." DD realizes that he must separate 
> Harry from Sirius, both for the safety of the order and the success 
> of the fight.

Bren:

Err... I must agree with Alla and Dzeytoun with this one, Dumbledore 
will face far greater difficulty in getting Harry ready for the war 
if he had caused such a heart-wrecking loss to Harry.

True, Dumbledore can be invisible at will so perhaps that's how he 
did it, but I highly doubt it.


>>> Alla wrote:
> What would be Dumbledore's justification then? Oh, yes:
> "I killed him in easy and painless manner" to increase your ability 
to fight Voldie.
> I wonder how soon after such conversation Harry decides to join
Voldie. :o) <<<

HAHAHAHAH.


Brenda