How many people know the full prophecy?

dungrollin spotthedungbeetle at hotmail.com
Sat Aug 28 13:26:37 UTC 2004


No: HPFGUIDX 111464

charme:
 
I don't believe (gut feeling on my part)the prophecy is set in stone 
and it's quite possible LV was after Lily & James for a completely 
different reason - all we have is DD's word that that's why LV 
attacked Harry.  Poor DD, he's already been known to be fallible in 
OoP, hasn't he?  Maybe Lily & James didn't really believe what had 
been predicted, or thought it secondary to another reason LV might be
after them. 
<snip>
More to the point, there are *numerous* references about the 
viability of predicting the future in the books, including Firenze's 
lesson in OoP where he tells the class that they shouldn't put too 
much stock in such things and even centaurs get their predictions 
wrong. 
<snip>
(Trelawny "predictions," both of them , refer to LV as "The Dark 
Lord." What was she? A Death Eater? Is she another person who DD 
has "redeemed?") I 'm also not sure Minerva would give a rat's butt 
if Trelawny made a prediction about anything, including Harry.

Now Dungrollin:
There seems to be a big difference between *trying* to tell the 
future (divination), and the two (supposedly) 'real' predictions 
that Trelawney has made (actually being posessed of the 'seeing 
eye'). 

In both 'true' prophecies, she is unaware of what she has said 
afterwards. And this goes along with what she says to Umbridge when 
being inspected... Er... Here it is: "The inner eye does not See 
upon command!" (Which is obviously the sort of excuse that she'd 
think of, but at the same time is probably a well-known wizarding 
fact.)

Dumbledore was against continuing the teaching of Divination at 
Hogwarts, and Trelawney above the Hog's Head inn shows no trace of 
the gift herself, until she prophesies that Harry's special. 
Presumably he thought 'Aha, here we have the real thing!' and is 
slowly disillusioned over the course of the next few years.

As for Trelawney being an ex-DE... Nah. Sorry.  What use would she 
be to anyone? (She's only useful to DD as he's got a healthy respect 
for his students and realises that anyone with an ounce of brains 
will see through her, which is a life-lesson in itself.)

But back to whether James and Lily knew about the prophecy... I 
suspect that they didn't.  Dumbledore believes it, and everyone in 
the Order trusts him ... Except that James (and presumably Lily) 
trusted Sirius and Pettigrew more.  Frankly if I'd had the chance of 
Dumbledore as my secret-keeper, no matter how much I trusted my 
other friends, I'd have said *Yes please, that's very kind* and got 
on with not letting You Know Who find me.  
May be James really was an idiot.

Dungrollin






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