How many people know the full prophecy?
kmcbears1
karen at dacafe.com
Sat Aug 28 15:15:04 UTC 2004
No: HPFGUIDX 111470
--- In HPforGrownups at yahoogroups.com, "dungrollin"
<spotthedungbeetle at h...> wrote:
> charme:
>
> I don't believe (gut feeling on my part)the prophecy is set in
stone
> and it's quite possible LV was after Lily & James for a completely
> different reason - all we have is DD's word that that's why LV
> attacked Harry. Poor DD, he's already been known to be fallible in
> OoP, hasn't he? Maybe Lily & James didn't really believe what had
> been predicted, or thought it secondary to another reason LV might
be
> after them.
> <snip>
> Now Dungrollin:
> There seems to be a big difference between *trying* to tell the
> future (divination), and the two (supposedly) 'real' predictions
> that Trelawney has made (actually being posessed of the 'seeing
> eye').
>
> Dumbledore was against continuing the teaching of Divination at
> Hogwarts, and Trelawney above the Hog's Head inn shows no trace of
> the gift herself, until she prophesies that Harry's special.
> Presumably he thought 'Aha, here we have the real thing!' and is
> slowly disillusioned over the course of the next few years.
> <snip>
> But back to whether James and Lily knew about the prophecy... I
> suspect that they didn't. Dumbledore believes it, and everyone in
> the Order trusts him ... Except that James (and presumably Lily)
> trusted Sirius and Pettigrew more. Frankly if I'd had the chance
of
> Dumbledore as my secret-keeper, no matter how much I trusted my
> other friends, I'd have said *Yes please, that's very kind* and got
> on with not letting You Know Who find me.
> May be James really was an idiot.
>
> Dungrollin
Please remember that there were two boys born at the end of July -
Neville and Harry. Until the events of GH when Voldemort marked
Harry as his equal, did the prophesy point to Harry?
I agree with the previous suggestion that Voldemort was planning to
kill both boys. I also feel that Voldemort had it in for the Potter
family.
We know that James' parents were alive when James and Sirius were 17.
(OotP Chapter 6 - quotes from Siruis' comments to Harry while viewing
the tapestry:
"When I was about sixteen"
<snip>
"Your dad's place," said Sirius. "Your grandparents.....sort of
adopted me as a second son."
<snip>
"when I was seventeen I got a place of my own"
<snip>
"I was always welcome at Mr. and Mrs. Potter's for Sunday lunch."
The Potter family died or were killed sometime between Sirius getting
a place of his own and the events of Gordic Hollow. So far according
to cannon, Harry has no living blood relative except Petunia and
Dudley.
The fact that there are Longbottom relatives mention in the books
leads me to believe that there were additional reasons Voldemort was
after the Potter's. He was willing to spare Lily (a mudblood) if she
would give him Harry. This supports to a vendetta against the
Potter's since Voldemort endorsed "pure-blood" mania and killing a
mudblood would be following his policy.
I don't think Dumbledore revealed the complete prophesy to the
Potter's and Longbottom's but gave them enough information to know
there was a chance that Voldemort would come looking for the babies.
I believe Voldemort chose to eliminate Harry first because of the
vendetta against the Potter's.
- Karen
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