Snape and Lupin's Character Arcs (was: Lupin's Char Arc)

[pippin_999]

No: HPFGUIDX 119334



> > Pippin:
> > Harry doesn't attend Snape's class on a daily basis, thank 
goodness. And it isn't Snape's goading that humiliates Harry, it's  
his failures at potion-making and occlumency, and getting 
 caught breaking rules. Those things are Harry's responsibility, 
 not Snape's.  If Harry knew he were in the right, Snape's goading 
 wouldn't get to him any more than Vernon's. 
> 
> Alla:
> Snape's goading started those failures, so yes, in my book, 
Snape is  mostly to blame for them. 


Pippin:

That is your opinion, Alla. Mine is that Harry's problems with 
Snape started when  Harry started thinking that evil is a Slytherin 
trait instead of a human one. If you want to blame somebody for 
that, you could blame Hagrid. McGonagall wouldn't be any nicer 
to a student she caught  talking back or making faces at her.  


It is also my opinion that Snape is teaching properly, as properly 
is defined in the wizarding world, and therefore he has no evil 
intent. What he is doing is wrong and oppressive by our 
standards, but so was Sirius's treatment of Kreacher. Did Sirius 
need to be redeemed for that? I don't think so. It would have 
been wise if Sirius had taken Dumbledore's advice, but he was 
not obliged to do so. It would be nice if Snape's teaching style 
were more like Lupin's but  the customs of the wizarding world 
do not oblige him to make it so.

If Harry is willing to excuse Sirius for the way he treated Kreacher 
because Sirius was otherwise a valiant warrior for good, he 
should, *as a grown up*  be able to make the same allowance 
for Snape. That is where I expect Snape's character arc to go. He 
will stay in the same place, and Harry will grow to perceive him 
differently.


Alla:
> Not to humiliate Harry at first class was Snape's responsibility 
> first and foremost. Teach Harry occlumency properly was 
Snape's  responsibility first and foremost.There are times when 
Harry knows that he is in the right and what  Snape says  ( about 
Harry's parents, when Harry wants to warn  Dumbledore about 
Bary Sr, etc.) still humilating and degrating to  him.<

Pippin:
Excuse me? Snape was in the right about Harry's father, and has 
never said anything to him about Harry's mother at all. And it is 
only Harry's opinion that Snape was trying to keep him from 
seeing Dumbledore, and highly unfair, since it was Snape who 
called Harry back and kept him there until Dumbledore arrived.
 

Pippin