Vampire/Half Vampire/Schvampire -was all the other vampire Snape stuff

[junediamanti]

No: HPFGUIDX 88653

--- In HPforGrownups at yahoogroups.com, "jakedjensen" <jakejensen at h...> 
wrote:
> --- In HPforGrownups at yahoogroups.com, "junediamanti" <
> > June:
> > No - I haven't.  I hear what you are saying and I think you are 
> > quite unwilling to listen to MY points. I have yet to read a 
> > convincing rebuttal of the points I have made in answer to this 
> > theory and the various "clues" you say prove it.  All I have read 
> is 
> > a constant re-iteration along the lines of "Vampire's can vary... 
> > there is more to Vampires than you know..."  yada yada yada.  
> 
> First, this is not really an accurate protrayal of previous posts. 

June:
It is.  That's  basically the summation of everything you have all 
had to say.  I propose reasons why Snape is not a vampire - out in 
daytime, eats, etc and you all counter with "Oh, well there's much 
more to vampire lore than that".  You cannot effectively counter the 
actual points I have made though.  And at the end of all that, the 
Vampire Potion.  

 I 
> am not sure why, but you seem determined to be very angry at anyone 
> who even suggests that Snape might be a vampire. Let me be the 
first 
> to say that I understand you don't agree.  That is cool with me. I 
> don't see why you get angry?  It really takes all of the fun out of 
> this (I put up with enough angry people in my real life as a 
> teacher).  I know you have a lot of passion in what you believe. I 
> know you make some good points.  Just take a deep breath and make 
> your case.  People will listen.   

June:
Firstly, I'm not angry - I'm amused by why your lobby is so 
determined to crush debate on this issue and not by logical rebuttal 
of well made points (Snape's wand - which a vampire is not allowed to 
have is a point - and not one of you has actually even attempted to 
argue that...).  And it's a fairly poor way to deal with argument by 
attributing non-existent emotion to the arguer.

So far I've been threatened by "metaphorical" razor blades <bg>, I've 
heard the same repeated shifty attempts to move the "vampire lore" 
goalposts whenever a good point is made that you the pro-Vampire 
theorists cannot effectively counter, the absurd suggestion of the 
vampire controlling potion, and the highly amusing false logic that 
says, "If you think it is a bad thing that Snape is a vampire, then 
it shows how the series needs a vampire character to demonstrate the 
power of prejudice".  All these made me smile by the way, rather than 
grind my (filed-down) teeth.

Is that the best you can all do?  

I've made my case.  People are listening and a number of posters have 
agreed.  Have I won my case?  Well put it this way, there is no doubt 
in my mind that were this a case in law in England, with Snape 
accused of vampirism, and yourselves prosecuting with me defending - 
on the basis of the points you (the Vampire!Snape lobby) have made so 
far, would see your case thrown out.  It's a draw at least or a 
collapsed case for you!

You make no point that establishes that this is anything other than a 
highly speculative theory.  I personally have no problem with you 
believing and supporting this theory - different ideas on this board 
are its making. I reserve the right to challenge your logic and the 
evidence you have used, and also the right to put forward counter 
evidence of my own. However it is plain from a re-read of this 
present thread that I have been involved in that you (collectively) 
are not prepared to argue point by point in order to defend it 
against someone who thinks it is not a believable theory.  That's 
all - you are quite at liberty to believe this theory if you wish, as 
I keep saying, just don't expect me to.  And don't throw collective 
hissy fits because I don't.


> 
> June:
> Big question - still unanswered, why is it SO VERY necessary to you 
> > all for Snape to be a vampire?  I prefer him human because I 
> believe 
> > he is a more interesting character as a flawed human being.  So 
go 
> > on - what's your excuse?
> 
> 
> Did you read the post I tossed up last night?  It is just one 
example 
> of why it might matter.  I am sure others have many different 
ideas.  
> It seems everyone has a different way the want the story to go and 
> how Snape's history (whatever it turns out to be) will fit in.  In 
a 
> nutshell, something very significant had to happen to Snape to 
drive 
> him from LV and the DE and too DD.  Does that mean he has to be a 
> vampire?  No.  I just think there is some fun canon support for it 
> and it is a stimulating idea to consider.  If it turns out to be 
> wrong, oh well.  A lot of theories on this board will (and already 
> have).  
>

I've read all the posts on this part of the thread.  I can't 
individually answer them all - that would be the kind of monomania 
that would fit me for induction into your ranks!  (That was irony 
folks - enjoy!)

I think it is an even more fun idea for him to have just an attitude 
problem.  As a human being.  There's a lot of canon support for that 
too.  More in my not so humble opinion.

June

"Oderint dum metuant"