Clues to 6&7 in POA film - Don't cry for me Harry Potter

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No: HPFGUIDX 100156

--- In HPforGrownups at yahoogroups.com, "samnanya" <yswahl at s...> wrote:
> Thank you for setting me straight on that count. The reason
> that I was pissy and rude was that the original response to
> the argument (which I should have quoted but did not) was
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> Reread the following pages:
> *OotP, Page 856 (US)
> *PS, Page 299 (US)
> 
> Harry has cried tears before.
> {name}
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> 
> If you read those references there was no mention at all of
> Harry actually shedding tears.
> Your reference in PoA (p 178 UK, 240 US) is much clearer,
> harder, if not impossible, to refute, and would NEVER have 
> elicited my rude response. I have no problem with logical
> arguments and am the first to apologise when I am wrong.

> Snip

> I also found it interesting that, in the scene you referred
> to,  Harry had passed out twice.
> 
>  After the first time (PoA 177)
> "'Harry!'
> Harry jerked back to life.... sitting up and
> feeling cold sweat trickling down behind his glasses."
> 
> After the second time (PoA 178 as you quoted)
> "'Harry!Harry... wake up...'
> Lupin was tapping Harry hard on the face.....Harry
> suddenly realized that there were tears on his face
> mingling with the sweat."
> 
> I wonder why Lupin used that method to revive Harry as 
> opposed to shaking his shoulders. Would you wake a sleeping
> person by poking their face? Just a thought.....
> 
> 

Jo here

I really like Samnanya's theory and hadn't thought about this
particular aspect before.

It is difficult because 'close' reading can become 'hair splitting'
reading and provides an excellent opportunity to turn 'active' reading
into fan fiction!

However, that won't stop me putting in my twopenny worth!

I haven't seen the film so I'm not qualified to comment on the 'Harry
no actual tears' scene but ..... close up shots are used with extreme
caution, specifically to highlight a response or emotional, inner
state, in b/w movies they used glycerine to fake tears and I believe
still do, I imagine now they could cgi a couple if required, I find it
hard to believe they were simply too lazy to deal with this in POA the
movie.

So I'm with Samnanya on this one.

Taking the text and various references to crying, I see no reason why
Harry might be becoming less able to shed tears over time, given that
this is a tale of growth and change and as he becomes more affected by
his inner snake. Also why he might not shed tears when unconscious but
not when conscious, which would explain the Lupin reference.

By the by I take Lupin tapping Harry's face (specifically not poking)
to mean some sort of reviving charm.

What I'd like to know is if Samnanya's observation is correct what
does it mean? In the next book Harry will be dealing with grief, if he
can't shed a tear what difference does this make? Is it simply a
physical expression of Harry's inner state or does it have plot
implications as with the Phoenix tears?

Also is it really true that Snakes don't cry? Like turtles and owls
(interesting!) they do not have eyelids but does that mean they have
no tear ducts?

Snakes lick their eyes so do we have any tongue references!!!!?

BTW snakes can still kill you when they are dead, because of their
muscle structure a dead snake still has many of the reflexes it had
when it was alive.

Regards
Jo