Snape and the MOM (Was: Snape the coward or the one left forever?

[pippin_999]

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 ?¬ ?PforGrownups at yahoogroups.com, "justcarol67" 
<justcarol67 at y...> wrote:
> Carol wrote:
> Maybe I'm assuming, as usual, but Kreacher 
> probably knew that Snape had contacted the Order members 
> and he could well have reported it to Malfoy or Narcissa. Even if 
> Kreacher didn't talk, therewas no one else at Hogwarts who 
> could have told Dumbledore and the Order to go to the MoM to 
> rescue Harry. (It couldn't have been McGonagall, who was in 
St. 
> Mungo's, and besides, she knew less than Snape about LV's 
> plans.)<<
> 
> Pippin responded:
> Snape only needs to tell Voldie that he's just discovered that 
the 
> Order knew all along that only Voldemort or Harry could get the 
> prophecy from the MoM and that the Order had also been 
> informed about Harry's dreams about the Department of 
> Mysteries.  So when Snape reported to the Order that Harry 
was 
> missing, after searching in the forest and otherwise delaying 
as 
> long as he could without rousing suspicion, they unfortunately 
> already knew where to look. 
>  
> He could also claim that he could hardly avoid contacting the 
> Order about Harry's cryptic message, since it would definitely 
> have aroused Dumbledore's suspicions if he hadn't. Even if 
> Harry never came back from the Department of Mysteries, a 
> number of other students had heard him.
>  
> Carol:
> You seem to be assuming that LV knows that Snape is in the 
Order. I'm assuming that his membership in the Order is part of 
what he's covering up and that he's only sharing information 
about Hogwarts and Dumbledore with LV. Do you have any 
basis for your view?<<

I'm assuming that Snape is still alive because he convinced 
Voldemort that he, Snape, was in Dumbledore's confidence and 
was willing to betray that confidence to LV.  Of course he would 
be expected to  maintain that confidence. It would be difficult to 
do that if Dumbledore discovered that Snape had not reported 
the incident with Umbridge or Harry's disappearance.

Presumably Voldemort knows that there is a conspiracy  helping 
Dumbledore, even if he doesn't know that it is called the Order of 
the Phoenix or that it meets at Grimmauld Place or who exactly is 
in it. Order was just a bit of shorthand...you could replace it with  
"Dumbledore or his contacts" if you like.


Pippin