Lupin Loved Lily

earendil_fr viviane at lestic.com
Sat May 29 12:25:55 UTC 2004


No: HPFGUIDX 99718

--- In HPforGrownups at yahoogroups.com, "vmonte" <vmonte at y...> wrote:
> Earendil wrote:
> 
> We know from PoA that Sirius thought Lupin to be the traitor, and
> adviced James and Lily to choose Peter as their Keeper (which means
> they both knew who their Keeper was since *they* were the one who
> *chose* him). It would be logical for Sirius to share his doubts
> about Lupin with them, since he thought trusting Lupin would 
endanger
> his friends' lives.
> 
> snip
> 
> OTOH, I don't think Lily trusted Harry to anyone. First, having just
> discovered they were betrayed and being under LV's attack, I think
> she wouldn't trust *anyone* at that point (with the possible
> exception of DD). Second, she died protecting Harry, so she had to 
be
> the one with Harry.
> 
> 
> vmonte responds:
> 
> I agree that Lily was with Harry the whole time, and died protecting
> him. I'm not sure about the voice we believe as being James, it 
might 
> be someone else; although I'm not certain it was Lupin.
> 
> Why do you suppose that Sirius believed that Lupin was the traitor?
> And why did the Potter's believe him?  Do you think that James
> found out that Lupin was in love with Lily?

Earendil again:

I don't think that James found out that Lupin was in love with Lily - 
actually I don't even think Lupin was in love with Lily.
I can't give you the exact quote in English or give you the exact 
page in the UK or US book, but I can translate what I have in my 
French version of the PoA:

-- beginning of translated quote, PoA chapter 19 --- 
[Peter to Lupin]:
'Sirius would have told you if they had changed the Secret Keeper.'
'They wouldn't have told me if they thought I was the spy,' Lupin 
remarked. 'It's the reason why you didn't tell me, Sirius, right?' he 
asked.
'Forgive me,' Black replied.
'Of course, Padfoot, my old friend. [...] And you, will you forgive 
me for thinking you were the spy?'
--- end of translated quote ---

(sorry if there's any mistake)
It seems very clear to me from this quote that Sirius believed Lupin 
to be the traitor. The question left is why? Why would he think one 
of his best and oldest friend to be on LV's side? It could be that 
loving Lily thing, but IMHO it'd rather be something else we don't 
even begin to suspect. Something we will learn about in the later 
books.

As for why the Potters believed Sirius about suspecting Lupin... 
Earlier in the same chapter, Sirius tells Harry: (still translated 
quote)
'At the last moment, I convinced James and Lily to take Peter instead 
of me, to make him their Secret Keeper in my place...'

Whatever motivated the decision, it's both James AND Lily who chose 
Peter. If they didn't have any suspicion about Lupin, their next 
logical choice after Sirius would have been Lupin. So why didn't they 
choose him? Because Sirius *convinced* them to choose *Peter*. How 
could he convince them? By sharing with them his doubts about Lupin.

There could be other explanations, but this one is (to me anyway) the 
one which makes the most sense. It's also strongly supported by canon.

Earendil, who never ever considered the voice Harry hears could be 
other than James' before joining this group.





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