bullies? twins, padfoot and prongs

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No: HPFGUIDX 118740


> Carol responds:
I read Nora's argument and understand her perspective, but even if
she's right that the Dark Arts, the pureblood ideology, and 
Voldemort go together, there's no evidence that *James* was thinking 
in those terms at this time, or that he assoiciated Severus and 
Slytherin with the mindset that Nora calls "fascist."

Alla:

I already said before that to me no evidence does not equal "no such 
evidence exist". Stranger things seem to appear out of nowhere (or 
it seemed so) in the books (Scabbers is the best example) and here 
we actually have the hint that James clearly disliked pureblood 
ideology.




 
> Carol earlier:
He [James] doesn't strike me as a guerilla in the war against
Voldemort or any kind of hero at this point. It took, IMO, something 
drastic--perhaps the murder of his parents by DEs--to transform 
Pensieve James into the James of Godric's Hollow.

> > Alla:
> > 
> > We differ on this one.
> 
> Carol responds:
> Any particular reason why? Surely this is not the same James we 
hear calling to Lily that he'll hold off Voldemort while she takes 
Harry and runs? The James who died trying to fight for his family is
admirable and courageous. The James who bullied Severus for the
entertainment of his bored friend is arrogant and egotistical. James
did a lot of growing up, IMO, in the years between the Pensieve
incident and Godric's Hollow.



Alla:

Why do we differ? Because IMO we have A LOT of blank spots  in 
the "James Potter. Younger years" yet.  We see him bullying Severus 
in the pensieve scene, but we don't know EVERYTHING about his 
relationship with Snape yet. What we do know that at the age of 16 
or so, James saved Snape's life. What we do know that at the age of 
16 James's family harbored his friend, who run from Dark Arts home. 
What we do know is already at the age of 15 James reacts badly to 
the worst insult , which person can be called in Wisarding World.


James may have been arrogant at that time, but I am very HESITANT to 
characterise him as just ARROGANT and nothing else.