Harry & Seamus.

[delwynmarch]

No: HPFGUIDX 115536


Finwitch wrote :
"Harry's Mom never prevented Harry from coming to Hogwarts, never
believed any nasty rumours... and they're DEAD. Harry's emotional
response to Mom&Dad is *very* different than response to those who
raised him.. At this situation, Seamus mother comes out like a Dursley."

Del replies :
Maybe. But if Harry can't figure out that other kids don't like it
when he insults their parents, then he's got a BIG relationship
problem. After all, he already knows that both Ron and Draco don't
take it well when someone insults their mother, so why should he
expect Seamus to react differently ?

Finwitch wrote :
"Teenager challenge: If you're such a big Mommy's boy, go ahead, or
stay if you have a mind of your own. In effect, Seamus *has* to stay
in order to keep his face with his peers."

Del replies :
Issuing that challenge was quite unfair and unnecessary, since Seamus
had *already* proven that he wasn't a Mommy's boy, by coming back to
school against his mother's will.

Finwitch wrote :
"Oh well. Kid's dead. Dumbledore tells briely what happened (so far as
he knows)."

Del replies :
Oh no ! DD knows MUCH MUCH MORE than he tells the students. In
particular, he knows the whole story about what happened in the
Graveyard. But what does he tell the students ? That Harry and Cedric
were transported somewhere (where ? how ?), that Cedric was killed
there (why ? The kid isn't a Muggleborn), that LV was reborn (how ? by
who ??), that Harry fought him (and *beat* him ? Please !) and that
Harry managed to come back with Cedric's body. No matter how much
emotion DD put into it, and how conspirational he managed to sound,
his speech quite simply didn't hold water.

Finwitch wrote :
"Cedric is dead.

*How* did he die?"

Del replies :
What about "the simplest explanation is often the right one" ? Harry
killed Cedric. Whether by accident, or out of spite because Cedric had
managed to win along with him, the simplest explanation is that Harry
killed Cedric. And it wouldn't be the first time Harry tried to kill
another student either : many students saw him set a snake on Justin
in his second-year.

Now, whether Harry himself invented this grandiose story to cover his
misdeeds, or whether DD invented it to protect his pet student, it
doesn't change that fact : DD's story doesn't hold water, when
compared with the official stories of Harry's imbalanced behaviour,
and with all the odd happenings that the students have noticed about
Harry.

Finwitch wrote :
"You can't expect full details in a funeral speech. I for one wouldn't
WANT them in that context."

Del replies :
Agreed. But two full months passed since then, and still neither DD
nor Harry gave any more details. Just the same old limerick : LV is
resurrected and he killed a (pure-blood) student.

Finwitch wrote :
"Follows a series of articles and what not discrediting Harry Potter
about it. This adds evidence to Dumbledore, that Harry DID tell him
all that, regardless of whether you believe the article or not.
(Otherwise, why discredit HARRY?)"

Del replies :
You and I know that the Ministry is indeed trying to discredit Harry,
but this is not necessarily how it appears to the WW at large. To most
people, the Daily Prophet only seems to report Harry's odd behaviour,
and to investigate his claims and find them completely unfounded. We
must remember that because we've been following Harry all these years,
we've known about LV returning for years, but the WW was not prepared
at all. All they see is that a boy who has been described as seriously
imbalanced all year long is now claiming that LV has returned. No
wonder they won't believe him !!

Finwitch wrote :
"The question is back on whether you believe Harry, who has already
*said* that Voldemort is back."

Del replies :
When did he do that ? I can't remember Harry making a *public*
statement that LV has returned. All the WW gets is *second-hand*
testimonies. Harry himself *never* said a word about it in public. And
that DOES make a huge difference.

Finwitch wrote :
"Mind you, Harry does NOT expect anyone giving him a chance to explain
himself."

Del replies :
But he *does* expect everyone to simply believe what DD says ? How
logical is that ?

Finwitch wrote :
"Asking for details was 'between lines', and Harry certainly didn't
see them."

Del replies :
Between lines ? What Seamus said is : "Look... what *did* happen that
night when... you know, when... with Cedric Diggory and all?" And JKR
adds that "Seamus sounded nervous and eager at the same time."

I don't see any accusation in what Seamus said, or in the way he said
it. But I DO see a desire for details. Harry got it wrong because he
had already made up his mind that Seamus was against him.

Finwitch wrote :
"So tell me, why doesn't Seamus tell Harry what he thinks *before* he
asks the question? If he had, I think Harry might have told him."

Del replies :
Maybe precisely because he was trying to make up his *own* mind ?
Seamus was torn between two very important authority figures : his
mother, and his Headmaster. He was trying to figure out what *he* thought.

But no, Harry figures Seamus should *already* have made up his mind to
follow Harry and DD blindly. *And* he blames Seamus for his mother's
opinion. Totally unfair.

Moreover, if you look closely, you'll notice that neither Dean nor
Neville seem to have made up their *own* minds either. Dean does *not*
say that he believes Harry, and Neville simply follows his Gran's
opinion (which of course is OK because Gran believes Harry, but how
does Seamus dare defend his mother ? Not fair, I tell you).

Del