Vengeance on Snape?Re: Snape--Abusive?

[justcarol67]

No: HPFGUIDX 116088


 
Syroun asked:
> > < Do we really know that {Dnape was a spy for Dumbledore and not a
member of the Order]?>
> > 
Sigune answered:
> > Well, 1) we know from OotP that he's not in the group photo of the 
> > Order Moody shows Harry; 
> 
Syroun responded:
> which proves nothing...

Carol notes:
It may not *prove* anything, but it can't be discounted as *evidence.*
And we do know that he was a spy for Dumbledore, unknown to Sieius,
who also didn't know that Snape had been a Death Eater. It seems
clear, as you admit yourself in the response to item 2, that he did
not keep up with the professional progress of his adolescent enemy. If
Snape had been in the Order, Sirius would have known about it.


Sigune wrote: 
> 2) Black is surprised to hear Snape is at Hogwarts in PoA, which 
> > suggests he didn't know what Snape was up to around the time of 
> GH; 
> 
Syroun answered:
> not necessarily. It just shows that he was did not keep up on the 
> professional progress of his adolescent enemy then or while in 
> prison. If he was not privy to the everyday goings-on at Hogwarts, 
> it would not be hard to imagine. We have no exact information on how 
> long Snape has been at Hogwarts, do we?

Carol responds:
Actually, we do know how long he's been at Hogwarts. He tells Umbridge
in OoP that he's been teaching for fourteen years. (I can find the
quote if you need it.) The only question is whether Snape began
teaching at the beginning of term (September 1) or after Godric's
Hollow (October 31), just before Sirius was sent to Azkaban. Either
way, Sirius didn't know that Snape had been a teacher at Hogwarts all
those years.
<snip>
> 
> > 4) if Snape knew Moody as a fellow Order member, he would have no 
> > reason to be so nervous around Fake!Moody in GoF, and he might 
> > have suspected he was facing an impostor when Moody kept lashing 
> > out at him.
> 
> again, not necessarily. Snape may have had a similar past with Moody 
> as he had with Sirius, James, Lupin, et. Al. and may not have felt 
> comfortable around him beause of that. It seems that few HP 
> characters actually react to Snape as a old chum - why should Moody 
> be any different? It is actually most likely that the fake Moody 
> treated Snape exactly the same way that the real Moody would have, 
> otherwise everyone would have questioned Moody's behaviour towards 
> Snape as patronizing or pandering. The Moody character suspects 
> others as a general outlook; why should Snape be any different?

<questions on WW knowing that Snape as a DE snipped--I've answered
them in another post>

Carol responds:
The real Moody, watching Karkaroff's hearing in the Pensieve scene,
reacts with suspicion when Dumbledore states that Snape is "no more a
Death Eater than I am." He clearly doesn't like Snape and may well
have been the one who arrested him. If Snape were in the Order, I
doubt that he would have reacted the same way. He would have had
evidence, personal experience, of Snape's loyalty. (IMO, Snape's
activities as a spy make it essential that he *not* associate with any
Order members and that he reports only to Dumbledore. DD doesn't want
the Order members to know what Snape is doing and doesn't want LV or
the Death Eaters to suspect Snape of disloyalty. He's already risking
his life. Why put him in greater peril?)

Carol, who agrees with Sigune that Snape was not in the original Order