Timetravel again? Was: Re: Dumbledore

[finwitch]

No: HPFGUIDX 116630


> Chancie:  When someone is time-turning, they aren't puppets forced 
> to replay events and change things.  Or it would be imposible for a 
> wizard to go back in time and kill him/herself, as Hermione tells 
> Harry.  Time is change-able!!!!  Or else Hermione wouldn't be 
warned 
> not to "change time", or have said "there must be something that 
> happend around now that he want's us to ****CHANGE****"  
> 
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> 
> Tyler:  No, Chancie, no.  Hermione even claims at the end of PoA 
> that she's not sure--HERMIONE DOESN'T FOLLOW IT.  Harry gets it--he 
> really UNDERSTANDS time-travel.  And even though Hermione has time 
> travelled all year, she has trouble reconciling her rules with the 
> reality.
> 
> Hermione was warned not to try to "change" things.  That bad things 
> can happen.  She was given rules, and Hermione LIKES rules and 
> generally wants to obey them.  And rules are a good idea--as 
> discussed, seeing yourself is likely to make you think some evil 
> magic is afoot.  Bad things *can* happen, so it's better not to 
> tempt fate--if you're time-travelling DON'T BE SEEN.
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> 
> Could have have chosen not to cast it?  Sure, but Harry would never 
> choose to let himself, Hermione, and Sirius die.

Finwitch:

Excellent post. That's how it is. Because Hermione is one who needs 
the cause and consequence nicely put. Yes, we are free to choose, but 
as Dumbledore says, It is our choices that show what we truly are. We 
always choose similarly, under same circumstances, because of who we 
are. This isn't about logic. This is about time and choices that WILL 
always be the same, because those who make them are the same.

No, Hermione doesn't understand time-travel. Not back-wards with a 
time-turner, nor forwards by Divination. Her utter demand for logic 
was enough for Trelawney to know her disability. Harry learned to 
understand time-travel in the end of his third year, and early next 
year, Trelawney declares that he has the Sight. She ALSO knows Harry 
had a vision! That's what it means, I think - that you can SEE the 
reality of time.

It's not about knowledge or logic, but about understanding and 
acceptance. Time's the fourth *dimention*. You move in both time and 
space. We all do. Because the Earth does. Because the Sun does. 
Because all the Galaxies, including the one we're part of, move. The 
dimentions, time, width, length, and depth, do not. They stay still, 
because they are eternal and need not go anywhere(or anywhen), 
because they are everywhere and everywhen.

That time would somehow move or change is an illusion, just as Moon 
remains whole, even though we only see parts of it or not at all.
Sun never rises, but our planet rotates so that the light which 
travelled from where the sun was makes it seem like that to us, who 
are upon it.

I think that's what Trelawney trys to do: Rid us of our illusions. 
Death is something that WILL come to us, as much as we like to think 
it won't. It's that disillusionment that's first step in becoming a 
True Seer. Of course she keeps predicting Harry's death. We all die. 
Even stars do. Understanding and accepting that truth is, I believe, 
truly one of the first steps in True Seeing. You must also see people 
for who they are.(Ron's pretty good at this - he does SEE what 
Hermione fears most, failure in exams - and that's even before 
*Hermione* does!)

Finwitch