Screams of Pain

[garybec]

No: HPFGUIDX 112205


Salit
 There is no evidence that LV used torture on Bertha. The damage to 
her was caused by the spell he used to break the memory charm that 
Crouch Sr. placed on her:
 
 LV: "... for -- with a little persuasion -- she became a veritable
 mine of information. [deleted] She told me many things... but the
 means I used to break the Memory Charm upon her were powerful, and
 when I extracted all useful information from her, her mind and body
 were damaged beyond repair." [ HB U.S. edition GoF, "The Death
Eaters", pp 655 ].

 I don't think LV needed to resort to torture to extract information
 when he could use Veritaserum and legilimency (and possibly other
 sophisticated methods). Torture is not nearly as effective - it was
 after all useless when used against the Longbottoms - I think that 
LV
uses the Cruciatus curse as a means of punishment, not usually for
 interrogation.

 Salit

Becki;

Actually there is evidence that LV tortured Bertha.  Moody!Crouch 
says so in his confession under veritaserum. Page 687, GoF, AM ED 
says;
"...He had captured Bertha Jorkins in Albania.  He had tortured 
her.  She told him a great deal...".
I see LV's version as torture as well, only described sort 
of 'tongue and cheek'.

And I don't know if he had access to ingredients to make veritaserum 
in the wilderness of Albania, and Legilimency is not really mind 
reading as much as the ability of being able to tell if someone is 
lying to you, so I don't think those were actually options for him.

I suppose he could have used other means of torture then the Crucio, 
but that seems to be one of his favorites.

It could have been easier for him (to get her info) because Barty 
Jr. also says that her memory had already been damaged due to the 
memory charm that Barty Sr. used in the first place.

Not that it all really matters, just wondering...Becki
(who is also wondering what IIRC means?)