Snape and Harry again.

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> Feklar
> 
>  So where an 11 yo Sirius might not know a different way to react
> or that there was even anything wrong with reacting to things he 
didn't like
> with abuse, by 13 he had to have known he was behaving badly.  By 
15 and 17,
> there is really no excuse IMO.
> 


Alla:


Well, he did learn that his family way was no good eventually, 
didn't he? At sixteen he did leave and never came back.
So, he did learn few years later.


> 
> Feklar:
> 
> In school, there are indications he was abusive not only to Snape 
but also
> other students (and the Shack incident showed he was not only 
murderous, but
> indifferent to the well-being of others, namely Remus).


Alla:
 I won't go into Prank now. Let me just say again - too much of 
eveidence missing for me to conclude that he was murderous and 
indifferent to the well-being of others.

Let me ask you one question though. In the PoA, in the Shack does 
Remus sound too ... upset to you when he talks about Prank. Does he 
sound like someone who was incredibly hurt by Sirius?

Nope, I want to find the missink link first. But of course you maybe 
right and I am wrong.

Feklar. 
> In GOF, the dragon.

Alla:

I don't understand. Why would you think that Solution that Sirius 
offered was more violent than what other contestants did?

Feklar:
> In POA, dragging Ron off and breaking his leg--like with the 
dragon, he
> chose a violent solution without regard to innocent victims.
> 1981 Pettigrew confrontation--again, he didn't care that there 
were innocent
> bystanders.  He had to take time to track Peter down, so he wasn't 
in the
> "heat of battle" when he found him, he could have followed and 
waited, but
> chose to attck without regard to the safety of others.


Alla:

Well, of course when I interpret those situations my subjective 
liking of the character kiks in. I interpet Sirius' behaviour in PoA 
as very realistic display of someone with PTSD. Someone who just 
escaped twelve years of hell and completely focused on revenge for 
the murder of his best friends.

I do not think he was thinking very clearly when he went after 
Peddigrew either. 

I do understand that it is just a  valid for you to intepret those 
incidents as Sirius' general tendency to be violent.

So, let's just agree to disagree on those.

Feklar>
> In OOTP, I had the feeling that ultimately, Sirius would have 
rejected Harry
> as viciously as he lovingly embraced him in POA -- he was already 
edging
> into snide insults -- because Harry wasn't what he wanted.

Alla:

Obviously, I did not get that feeling. I geta  feeling that being 
stuck in that house made Sirius' depressed and when he would have 
been able to do useful things, he would have been better.

Rejected Harry? Well, he had some James flashbacks, true, but I 
never doubted that he loved Harry for Harry and died for Harry(That 
is the partial reason why I like him so much and still hope that he 
will come back in some shape or form)

> 
> Feklar:
> 
> I specified he was unreliable about Sanpe's character.  

Alla:
And I was talking about his specific relaibility about Snape's 
character. he and Snape are similar in so many ways. Theat is why I 
think he is reliable, regardless whether he hates Snape or not.