The Wizarding World: Expulsion & Hogwarts School

[Steve]

No: HPFGUIDX 127693


--- In HPforGrownups at yahoogroups.com, "Ravenclaw Bookworm"
<navarro198 at h...> wrote:
> 
> Steve:
> As far as magic, in Hagrid's case, his magical education was stopped
> before he had his qualifications, and his wand was broken. So, I'm 
> not so sure that Hagrid is banned from doing magic, he is banned 
> from having and using a wand which in effect is the same as a ban on
> most magic.
> 
> Bookworm:
> According to Hagrid, himself, he is not allowed to use magic:
> (PS/SS, Ch4) [after giving Dudley a pig's tail] "... 
> "I'm – er – not supposed ter do magic, strictly speakin'. ...  "
> 
> 

bboyminn:

The point I'm making, though I'm not insisting on it, is that being
banned from having and using a wand, for most wizards, and especially
the poorly educated Hagrid, is essentially the same as being banned
from magic; No wand = No Magic. This is true with only a few rare
exceptions which would be unlikely to apply to Hagrid.

Because a vast majority of magic requires a wand, Hagrid is banned
from doing magic by not being allowed a wand.

As far as what Hagrid said, the 'What' is the same in your version and
mine, it's only the 'Why' that is different.


> Ravenclae Bookworm continues:
> 
> According to some of our British members, I've been told that
> there are no *qualifications* to complete school – that is an 
> American practice.  

bboyminn:

I don't think that's quite right. There is no 'graduation' in the UK,
and it's true wizards like Fred and George don't need qualifications
to use magic, they only need be of age. In Britain, the G.C.S.E.
(O-Level, A-Level) exams are your qualifications. They are what you
bring to a job interview to establish your abilities. 

Further, in both the USA and in the UK, once you reach a certain age,
you are allowed to quit school; school is no longer compulsory. That
age is typically 16. 

So, I'm not 100% sure of what you are getting at in this one point.
Did you misspeak or did I misinterpret?


> Ravenclae Bookworm continues:
>
> ...edited...
> IMO, he was banned from using magic as a penalty for his
> "crime".
> 
> Ravenclaw Bookworm

bboyminn:

I'm not 100% entrenched in my idea, I'm only saying the regardless of
how Hagrid says it, being banned for having and using a wand is
effectively the same as being banned from performing magic.

It's just a thought.

Steve/bboyminn