Foreshadowing? Two Places to Hide Horcruxes

[Jen Reese]

No: HPFGUIDX 135854

> hg:
> Oh, yes, we werer referring to the same thing, then.  But the
> special services award is a plaque.

Jen: I'm thoroughly confused now, and had to back-up and research 
where the TR cup came from. Seems like people are suspecting the cup 
on JKR's website is a clue? That Tom won a cup as well as the 
plaque, and people suspect he traded the original cup for the 
Hufflepuff cup? Still, I'd rather have it in the books than just on 
the website.

> hg:
> I would think he'd consider the murder of the three Riddles 
> significant in that he completely eradicated the Riddle family.
> As tempting as it is to consider Myrtle's death one that he can
> use to make a horcrux, I'm having difficulty embracing it.  On the
> one hand, it was deliberate that he opened the chamber, deliberate
> that he wanted to kill people, even, with the basilisk.  Well, he
> did instruct it to kill her, didn't he?  Okay, now I'm torn.

Jen: That's true about the Riddle line being eradicated. That would 
happen whether Tom murdered them or not, but he would relish doing 
it all at once. And like you said, things are fuzzy around the 
Myrtle situation. 

I'm putting that aside for a minute because something else has me 
wondering. It seems like Dumbledore is saying LV's appearance 
changed due to his quest for immortality which we now know is the 
Horcruxes. So, we first see a glint of his red eyes when he's 
surveying the treasures at Hepzibah's house. To me that would mean 
he's already learned how to make Horcruxes, and there's some 
evidence that the diary and ring are already hidden. But you could 
also argue it was simply the murders subtly changing his appearance 
and that the Horcrux making took place during the next ten years. 
Because we do see a very drastic change in LV's appearance when he 
requests the job at Hogwarts.

Is it reasonable he learned to make the Horcruxes immediately after 
that conversation with Slughorn? I'm starting to think not. Where 
would he find out while still at Hogwarts? Did he learn everything 
he needed to know that summer right after the murders? If so, it 
must not be terribly complex. Or he had a mentor. 

> hg:
> I think a major part of the puzzle will be determining why he
> wants to get back into Hogwarts.  I've always been a bit shaky on
> him wanting to get back in to take something back: as if he's got
> a magpie nest somewhere and wants to collect his things?  No,
> Dumbledore found his nest and made him give them back when they
> were in a nest, so he'd never do that again.

Jen: I tend to take DD's words at face value here, that he believes 
Riddle wanted the job at Hogwarts to find a treasure from one of the 
other founders (chap. 23 p. 505, US). But I don't think it would be 
something Riddle stole as a student and hid at Hogwarts (although I 
guess the COS would make an *excellent* hiding place since no one 
else can open it!). More likely he wanted to search the castle for a 
new item and was turned away.


> hg: 
> Smith's murder was a long enough time out of Hogwarts that he 
> wouldn't be trying to put a cup horcrux back in there, is what I 
> meant.  I got the impression that he worked for B&B for about 5 
> years, which would have him disappearing for about 20 years.  That 
> part of the timeline has me confused, because Dumbledore says that 
> Riddle hasn't been seen for about 10 years when he shows up at the 
> headmaster's office, and Dumbledore doesn't become headmaster
> until 1970.  Seems like there's a missing 10 years somewhere.

Jen: Oh dear, maths again! I'm wondering if this new information 
will change the Lexicon dating of when DD became headmaster? The 
1970 number was based on when Lupin was probably born and bitten, 
and how Dumbledore becoming headmaster gave him the opportunity to 
go to Hogwarts. One has to be an error though, either the info in 
POA or the new info in HBP. Even if you stretch how long LV worked 
at B & B, it would still place Voldemort's request to teach around 
the early 60's, at the latest.

Jen, too tired to think anymore tonight. ;)