Ship: R/Hr and violence (Re: The books are not about rape.)

[phoenixgod2000]

No: HPFGUIDX 136971

--- In HPforGrownups at yahoogroups.com, "casmir2012" <casmir2012 at y...> 
wrote:

> Casmir:
> 
> I didn't find this scene abusive or funny. 

phoenixgod2000: I personally do find the scene at least bullying, if 
not truly abusive the way an adult would use the term. Ron was 
covering his eyes with his hands for gods sake, hands that were 
later covered by injuries. That certainly tells me that his eyes 
could have been seriously damaged by the birds which is a bad 
thing.  Would you be as blase about the event if it had been Ron 
sending birds after Hermione? I don't think anyone on this list 
would be.  There are levels of violence that people will accept from 
women towards men that just aren't acceptable in reverse.  Another 
good example of that phenomena is the Ginny ramming Zack Smith 
scene. Imagine if it had been Draco ramming Lee Jordan or worse yet, 
Draco ramming a commentating female character. It would a far 
different scene, but since Ginny did it, it must be funny.

> I agree with Luna that it shows that Hermione is human.  IMO it 
> externally shows the pain Hermione is feeling inside. Also, I 
don't 
> see it anymore "violent" then many of the jinxes performed on each 
> other throughout the book. 

I'm not sure that what bothers people is the act itself. Yes it 
shows that Hermione is just a teenage girl and not pedestal!girl 
that people like to think of her as. What bothers me, and I think 
other people, was the lack of punishment. The other jinxes that that 
hurled by students are usually punished by a teacher but, IIRC, 
Hermione wasn't punished by anyone. I think that shows a tacit 
agreement by the author which says that sort of action acceptable.  
Ginny as well is rarely punished by anyone either.

Contrast that to Harry, who practically get punished for every 
altercation he gets in, usually with a punishment far greater than 
the crime.

 It's also a reminder of Ron's dependance 
> on Hermione to save his arse, as I doubt he knew how to get rid of 
> the birds himself. I mean really, is it so violent to do that if a 
> capable wizard is able to vanish the birds immediately?  oh, 
> yeah...Ron depends on Hermione to do that stuff for him.

Thats an unfair attack against Ron.  She attacked him with magically 
conjured constructs, something we haven't seen any other wizard do. 
It certainly seems like upper level magic to me, and it wouldn't be 
the first time Hermione went beyond her year when it came to 
experimenting with spells. Just because Ron couldn't dispel the 
birds doesn't mean he is incompetent. They could just be hard to get 
rid of.

phoenixgod2000