Ship: R/Hr and violence (Re: The books are not about rape.)

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Casmir wrote (about the Canary attack scene):
> 
> I didn't find this scene abusive or funny.  I did find it 
important.  
> I agree with Luna that it shows that Hermione is human.  IMO it 
externally shows the pain Hermione is feeling inside. Also, I don't 
see it anymore "violent" then many of the jinxes performed on each 
other throughout the book.  It's also a reminder of Ron's dependance 
on Hermione to save his arse, as I doubt he knew how to get rid of 
the birds himself. I mean really, is it so violent to do that if a 
capable wizard is able to vanish the birds immediately?  oh, 
yeah...Ron depends on Hermione to do that stuff for him.
> 
> I do NOT feel the scene was a mistake, either.  <snip>  WE cannot 
compare their behavior with that of ADULTS.  Hermione may come 
across older than she is, but she is still a child.  This is a 
mistake that happens in real life, too.  Too much maturity or 
knowledge is expected from younger ones simply because they handle 
themselves in a more mature fashion then their contemporaries.  
> 
> Personally, I would have never been pleased with the reality of 
Hermione's character if I had never seen this human side of her... 
it is something I can definately relate to.  (I can relate to the 
book smart stuff, but not the complete lack of fraility or hurt 
sensibilites, which this scene demonstrates).


**Marcela now:  I don't know why Luna and you thought that it was an 
important scene to show us that Hermione is human... I mean, haven't 
we seen her crying many times?  She's the character that is at the 
top in the "crying" ranking.  She was the one that slapped Malfoy in 
PoA.  She was the one with scratches all over her face after the 
First Task in GoF.  She was the one almost knocked over Harry in a 
bear hug in OoTP.  Shw was the one whose lower lip trembled and 
hugged Harry in PS/SS in the sixth task.  And she was the one that 
locked herself up in the loo and cried all afternoon because Ron had 
hurt her feelings with a stupid comment.
Those are just a few scenes that came to mind, I'm sure there are 
plenty more in the six books.  All those show us that Hermione was a 
human being with all the emotional baggage that those come with, too.
Also, this violent behaviour of Hermione's is not an isolate 
incident either.  She has shown us many times that she can hurt 
people that bother her (or her friends): Rita, Marietta, Umbridge, 
Draco, Milicent (though her revenge sort of backfired), Snape, 
Lavender (bunny), to a certain extent Trelawny, etc.

Nevertheless, while I said that the scene was a bit too violent for 
my taste, I can honestly understand her behaviour and I believe I 
explained that in my previous post.  My problem comes with the fact 
that we're supposed to believe that after this scene and some 
mending of their friendship, Ron and Hermione can move on to a 
closer relationship.  I still don't understand, and nobody that 
answered my post addressed this, how can those two be at an equal 
footing/level in their r'ship after this incident.  Is it possible 
for a couple to have been physical violent/aggressive towards each 
other, to then cozy up and make up *and not* fall into aggression 
again?

I'm afraid I'd respect my partner had I ever needed/wanted to slap 
him and/or had he ever slapped me.  I have never been in such a 
relationship, so to me that scene by itself is "okay" as of to the 
status of their relationship, but not their post make up and move to 
a closer r'ship.  That is still very puzzling behaviour to me, o.O.

As for the canaries being a jinx and thusly a non-violent thing 
because they can be counter-jinxed, I still have my reservations to 
that.  Ron was a "marked" man after that incident, and I wonder 
about the state of his ego, too.  If we parallel this jinx to a slap 
on the face -which IMO sounds a reasonable substitute for this scene-
 I still see it as what it was: an vengeful and aggressive action.  
There was no remorse in Hermione's behaviour.  Had she 
slapped/jinxed Ron and inmediately be shocked with herself, I could 
very well understand that she 'slipped' but that she was repentant 
of her actions.  Can that happen between friends and still remain 
so, after some 'damage control' actions?  Sure.  Can a closer 
relationship start off after such scene?  Well, we have Jo's word 
that it's possible.  But I don't believe that it'd be a healthy 
start for one, especially when those two have had a rocky history 
with their friendship/interaction for six years now.

BTW, I never compared their behaviour with adult ones.  As a matter 
of fact, there are adults whom resort to that behaviour, too.  It's 
up to how kids were raised that they would allow aggression in their 
lives, or not.  I believe that it's connected with the aggressor's 
and/or victim's self-respects.

Marcela