Ship: R/Hr and violence (Re: The books are not about rape.)

[phoenixgod2000]

No: HPFGUIDX 137068

> Ginger:
> Just a bit of a quibble and a point that I don't think has been 
made:
> 
> Hermione did attack Ron with conjured constructs, but they were 
part 
> of the Transfiguration assignment.  So, since they were 6th years, 
it 
> was, indeed, upper level, but not beyond her year (see ch. 14, US 
p. 
> 284 for details).

True. I had forgotten about that part. However, they had just 
started learning that magic and Hermione was the first one to do it 
successfuly. I was merely pointing out that just because Ron isn't 
quite the magical prodigy Hermione is doesn't mean he is some dumb 
failure of a wizard who needs Hermione to wave her wand for him at 
all times which is what the post I was replying to basically said.
 
> Harry knows what Ron is mad about.  He has just realized that 
> Hermione probably kissed Viktor in GoF.  He's jealous and has been 
> taking it out on her for several days.  
> 
> That much is canon.  I'm going to go out on a limb and guess that 
> Hermione and Ginny had a chat and that Hermione knows that Ron is 
> jealous because she snogged Viktor.  But then he goes and snogs 
> Lavender in front of the whole room.  

I'm not sure that Hermione knows why Ron is throwing his fit. In her 
own way Hermione is just as clueless as Ron. and Ginny is just the 
kind of person who would see the whole debacle as being too funny to 
interrupt.
 
> Before I go on sounding like I'm against Ron here, I must confess 
> that I was one of those annoying homely girls who tut-tutted when 
the 
> other girls were doing tonsil exams with their boyfriends, only to 
be 
> just as showy as they when I did have a boyfriend.  Ron's 
behaviour 
> was, as Ginny said, hypocritical, but I do feel sympathy for 
> Ron "sweet 16 and never been kissed" Weasley.  

I think Ginny was way out of line when she humiliated Ron in public 
like that.  Just one of many reasons why I don't like the character.
 
> I don't blame him for wanting to show off Lavender's attraction to 
> him, but I do blame him for being so mean to Hermione when she 
hadn't 
> done anything to deserve it.  

True, but being insensitive doesn't give anyone the right to smack 
you around (or the magical equivenent of attack canaries). Dating 
McLaggen was both on the same maturity level as Ron's snub and an 
appropriate get back in the mind of a teenage girl.  Birds which 
were going for his face were not in my view. It was a violent 
escalaction of an otherwise typical teenage love spat.
 
> Nor do I think it was right of Hermione to attack him with birds. 

My problem wasn't the attack. My problem was the lack of 
consequences for it. I think that shows the authors implicit 
approval of the action, which is a bad message to send. apparently 
she thinks its okay to lose your temper and lash out at others when 
you're really stressed.

compare that to the sheer number of times Harry has been punished 
for dueling/attacking/drawing his wand against someone else--
ususally for a better reason than Hermione had.

> So, yeah, she was hurt.  I'd say she had a right to be.

Why? Had they made any promises to each other that Ron broke? Was 
Ron also dating Hermione when he decided to snog Lavender? Did he 
need her permission?  

He hurt her feelings true, but she had also hurt his many other 
times and it was finally his time. Not the most mature thing to do 
but understandable.  I'm glad Ron finally put himself out there. I 
respect that he didn't sit around pining away for the girl he likes. 
Hermione didn't wait for him. She dated other guys, why shouldn't he 
do the same? Better than Harry, who just sat around waiting for 
Ginny for two thirds of the book. Now that was truly pathetic.  Even 
if Ginny was the girl he really liked, there had to be other ones, 
he's sixteen for godsake. Harry was just a giant weeny when it came 
to the love subplot in my view.

phoenixgod2000, who is glad that HBP finally settle the eternal 
question of whether or not Hermione was too mature for Ron.

the answer is of course NO!